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I agree it is more like e2teee, but I think there is really no alternative beyond TEE + anonymization. Privacy people want it locally, but it is 5 to 10 years a

by liuliu 9mo ago

I agree it is more like e2teee, but I think there is really no alternative beyond TEE + anonymization. Privacy people want it locally, but it is 5 to 10 years away (or never, if the current economics works, there is no need to reverse the trend).

shawnz 9mo ago
There's FHE, but that's probably an even more difficult technical challenge than doing everything locally
- gardnr 9mo ago
  FHE would be ideal. Relevant conversation from 6 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44601023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44601023
- liuliu 9mo ago
  FHE is impossible. You cannot expect to compete on 100x more cost for the same service you provide (and there is no design for accelerated hardware (Tensor Core) on FHE).
  - 0xWTF 9mo ago
    Only 100x the cost? Really? Can you cite a reference how you get it that cheap?
    - liuliu 9mo ago
      No need for the sarcasm. I am extremely generous about what FHE can achieve. Of course it is not 100x right now.
ignoramous 9mo ago
> ... 5 to 10 years away (or never, if the current economics works... Think PCs in 5y to 10y that can run SoTA multi-modal LLMs (cf Mac Pro) will cost as much as cars do, and I reckon folks will buy it.
- binary132 9mo ago
  ISTM that most people would rather give away their privacy than pay even a single cent for most things.