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Why. Do. We. Keep. Posting. Gary. Marcus. He's been writing variants of this kind of thing for decades and he's always been wrong.

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elliotec 9mo ago
Any examples? I've never heard of him, but that seems like a big statement.
zelag 9mo ago
Gary Marcus is not the only one that has been critical of Sam Altman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0K4XPu3Qhg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0K4XPu3Qhg There's many other people but most of them are independent. It is glaringly obvious now most of the media outlets are afraid to ask the tough questions.
- throwitaway222 9mo ago
  Here is a more fun one to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrgEZ8FeZEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrgEZ8FeZEc
- lkbm 9mo ago
  Sure, but why post Gary Marcus then? That said, MPU has been pretty solidly crazy with their LLM critiques lately (did you know it uses all the drinking water?!?!?). There are plenty of sane, grounded-in-reality critiques. Why not focus on those?
roadside_picnic 9mo ago
I'm not a particularly big Gary Marcus fan, but I'm even less of a fan of the term "always". I browsed back looking for posts of his that most obviously made predictions, and "GPT-5… now arriving Gate 8, Gate 9, Gate 10" make a few very clear predictions and was absolutely correct [0] about them. This was in June 2024, and Marcus claims two major predictions: - "As of today, I am more confident than ever that GPT-5 won’t land this year." - "Gary Marcus is still betting that GPT-5 will continue to hallucinate and make a bunch of wacky errors, whenever it finally drops." It would be over a year from his posting that article that GPT-5 would finally land, and his overall prediction that the result would be lack-luster was also spot on. Again, I don't particularly care one way or another about Gary Marcus, but flat out dismissing his writing doesn't really hold up. 0. https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/gpt-5-now-arriving-gate-8-gate-9 https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/gpt-5-now-arriving-gate-8-...
- ccapitalK 9mo ago
  He also posted https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/lets-be-honest-generative-ai-isnt https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/lets-be-honest-generative-..., which got flagged as low effort spam about 30 minutes ago. https://news.ycombinator.com./item?id=46605587 https://news.ycombinator.com./item?id=46605587
captain_coffee 9mo ago
> and he's always been wrong Please explain in as much detail as you can because that is a very bold statement

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elliotec 9mo ago

Any examples? I've never heard of him, but that seems like a big statement.

zelag 9mo ago

Gary Marcus is not the only one that has been critical of Sam Altman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0K4XPu3Qhg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0K4XPu3Qhg There's many other people but most of them are independent. It is glaringly obvious now most of the media outlets are afraid to ask the tough questions.

throwitaway222 9mo ago
Here is a more fun one to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrgEZ8FeZEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrgEZ8FeZEc
lkbm 9mo ago
Sure, but why post Gary Marcus then? That said, MPU has been pretty solidly crazy with their LLM critiques lately (did you know it uses all the drinking water?!?!?). There are plenty of sane, grounded-in-reality critiques. Why not focus on those?

roadside_picnic 9mo ago

I'm not a particularly big Gary Marcus fan, but I'm even less of a fan of the term "always". I browsed back looking for posts of his that most obviously made predictions, and "GPT-5… now arriving Gate 8, Gate 9, Gate 10" make a few very clear predictions and was absolutely correct [0] about them. This was in June 2024, and Marcus claims two major predictions: - "As of today, I am more confident than ever that GPT-5 won’t land this year." - "Gary Marcus is still betting that GPT-5 will continue to hallucinate and make a bunch of wacky errors, whenever it finally drops." It would be over a year from his posting that article that GPT-5 would finally land, and his overall prediction that the result would be lack-luster was also spot on. Again, I don't particularly care one way or another about Gary Marcus, but flat out dismissing his writing doesn't really hold up. 0. https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/gpt-5-now-arriving-gate-8-gate-9 https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/gpt-5-now-arriving-gate-8-...

ccapitalK 9mo ago
He also posted https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/lets-be-honest-generative-ai-isnt https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/lets-be-honest-generative-..., which got flagged as low effort spam about 30 minutes ago. https://news.ycombinator.com./item?id=46605587 https://news.ycombinator.com./item?id=46605587

captain_coffee 9mo ago

> and he's always been wrong Please explain in as much detail as you can because that is a very bold statement