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Which ones? The ones protesting for a regime change in support of US/Israel intervention? Or the ones that are counter-protesting that know foreign interventio

• concinds 9mo ago
  Of all the dictatorships you might want to be an apologist for, I can't think of a shittier and less inspiring one than this one, other than North Korea.
  • ebbi 9mo ago
    Very presumptuous of you. OP asked what a layman could do to help the protestors, and I asked which protestors he wants to support. I despise the Iranian government lol. Stop attributing intent where there isn't.
    • throwaway37426 9mo ago
      > I despise the Iranian government lol. This must be satire.
• cromka 9mo ago
  > The ones protesting for a regime change in support of US/Israel intervention? So the anti-government protestors all protest for both? Like it's implied?
  • ebbi 9mo ago
    The difference is one set of protestors support US/Israel intervention for regime change. The other group of protestors are protesting against this. There is a segment within this group that are ardently pro-Regime. The other segment (which I think is the majority of the group, and Iran, but I have no evidence and so this is purely anecdotal based on my various discussions with Iranians) is that they do want regime change, but not from any outside influence - they would ideally like an organic democratic process that Iranian citizens control.
    • throwaway37426 9mo ago
      The death toll and the pictures and videos that are coming out that these people don’t even dare taking their usual positions and try to just mitigate it. It’s that bad.
      • ebbi 9mo ago
        Agree. Little 3 year old Melina was killed by armed anti-government protestors while on her way to a pharmacy with her dad. It's sad people don't see these dead bodies and take positions, because popular media don't publish this news.
        • throwaway37426 9mo ago
          Source: trust me bro. Usually these deflections mean that the IRGC has indeed killed 3 year olds. Thanks for confirming it. Tomorrow when Islamic Republic falls, people will get their hands on the list of every one the registrar has funded and sent overseas. A day of judgment will come for all the innocents.
• observationist 9mo ago
  You mean the "counter protests" organized and dictated by IRGC and the regime, you mean? The totally organic, completely believable groups of coordinated military aged men and occasionally their wives showing up for on-message photo ops for Khamenei & crew? This regime has already completely failed - their currency is completely debased, they've destroyed their water supply, and over the last several decades they've been unable to meet the very reasonable and understandable conditions needed to join the international community and get sanctions lifted, allowing them to engage in trade and lift their economy out of the gutter. The choices made by this regime are the precise and exact reasons for their current degraded state. The rest of the civilized world set the conditions, and they chose not to engage in civilization. I have absolutely zero sympathy for the supporters of the regime, they're a group who've been in power for less than 50 years, and every year they've been in power they've brought nothing but atrocity and grief to the world.
  • veidelis 9mo ago
    You world view is very one-sided, it borders with total naiveness.
    • observationist 9mo ago
      No, I have principles. I wish to see people live the best possible lives for themselves, out from under tyranny and oppression, without the threat of death and violence and mayhem from those who have power over them, to the greatest degree of liberty and human rights that they can accommodate reasonably. Because of my principles, I do not pretend cultural or moral relativism has legitimacy, and that somehow religious or cultural rationalizations of murder and oppression and mayhem can't be assessed as such because I'm halfway across the other side of the planet living a good life of riches nearly unimaginable to previous generations, arguing with people on the internet that I want things to be this good, or better, for everyone, especially the ones currently under the thumbs of tyrants. I don't want the US to invade and try to build some sort of mythical liberal Iran, I want to see them rise up and get all the support they need to get their best and brightest to rebuild something awe inspiring and new for themselves. The odds aren't great, but they're not as bad as recent American and Western driven nation building exercises. The Iranian people will have to walk a tightrope, and I'm cheering for them.
• throwaway37426 9mo ago
  Once again translating and posting Iranian state TV propaganda. At least give it a personal touch.
  • ebbi 9mo ago
    Do you want to expound on why it's propaganda and argue why, or are you denying the fact there are two groups of protestors currently in Iran? Please make your point clear without accusing me of supporting state-sponsored violence.
    • throwaway37426 9mo ago
      You’re pulling a fast one there. Pictures and videos are getting out showing what security forces are/were doing. You are claiming it’s all propaganda and we should not believe our eyes and also forget our past experiences with this and all theocratic regimes. Buddy the burden of proof is on you.
      • ebbi 9mo ago
        Are you denying that there are two groups of protestors currently in Iran?
        • throwaway37426 9mo ago
          According to Iranian state TV there’s been a protest in support of the government. The fact that you are so certain of it, shows that during the total blackout you have some information from inside that normal people don’t? How do you have this information? It’s getting very interesting.
          • ebbi 9mo ago
            Thank you for acknowledging there are counter-protests in Iran.
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• armchairhacker 9mo ago
  The ones protesting for a regime change. It will inevitably involve foreign intervention, which tends to work out badly. But I don't accept the alternative, that keeping a suppressive and violent regime is the best case. And I'd rather have the least amount of intervention possible, I don't even intrinsically care about breaking the regime; I want to directly support the protestors as much as possible.
  • ebbi 9mo ago
    There is another alternative, which a lot of my Irani friends prefer. Which is a regime change without foreign interference. A puppet installed by US/Israel is a puppet that will only benefit those countries.
    • armchairhacker 9mo ago
      Sure. I'm just acknowledging that even opposing it, parts of foreign countries' governments will interfere when they see blood, and it may not be possible to significantly help the protestors without them.
      • ebbi 9mo ago
        Depends what you mean by 'help' Because the interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya didn't really help the citizens. Instead it created more instability, and created power vacuums for other sorts of violence and degeneracy to occur. I'm not saying I know what's the best way for Iranians to get what they want. But recent history shows us that foreign interference doesn't work, especially because those countries that are intervening aren't merely doing it from the goodness of their own hearts.
        • armchairhacker 9mo ago
          Yes, unfortunately what I want may be unrealistic, and more likely I can't do anything substantial. But for a situation as dire as Iran, I believe it's moral to try something...