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“The best advice I would give to white people is to get the hell away from black people“ -Scott Adams Does that sound reasonable to you?

by dangus 10mo ago

nec4b 10mo ago
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- lovich 10mo ago
  Can you cite a context that makes the quote acceptable?
  - deleted 10mo ago
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  - negzero7 10mo ago
    Sure, the context was a poll that asked Americans "Is it OK to be white?" with about half of the black participants saying they either disagreed or weren't sure. A bit of Scott's elaboration is near the bottom: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/poll-finds-over-a-quarter-of-black-americans-dont-think-its-okay-to-be-white-scott-adams-dilbert https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/poll-finds-over-a-qu...
    - lovich 10mo ago
      I am aware of the situation and context. I was being sarcastic because the context still doesn’t make the quote acceptable.
    - meowface 10mo ago
      The poll did not ask "Is it OK to be white?", it asked "Do you agree or disagree with this statement: 'It's OK to be white.'"
      - DonHopkins 10mo ago
        Not only that, Adams deceptively included the answer "I don't know" with "I disagree", and it STILL didn't add up to 50%. And it was an ideologically motivated Push Poll from Rasumssen Reports, a slanted right wing polling organization. A fair poll would never use a White Supremacist trolling slogan as a trick question with no explanation. The question doesn't even make any sense, and was asked with no context or definition of what "ok" means, so "I don't know" is the obvious correct answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll "It's ok to be white" is a White Supremacist slogan specifically designed to troll and cause division and hatred, and Adams gleefully took that and ran with it, and lied and exaggerated to make his false racist point, just like negzero7 continue to do. What both Scott Adams and negzero7 did was PRECISELY what the White Supremacists who coined that slogan had hoped for. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white >"It's okay to be white" (IOTBW) is an alt-right slogan which originated as part of an organized trolling campaign on the website 4chan's discussion board /pol/ in 2017.[1][2][3] A /pol/ user described it as a proof of concept that an otherwise innocuous message could be used maliciously to spark media backlash.[4][5] Posters and stickers stating "It's okay to be white" were placed in streets in the United States as well as on campuses in the United States, Canada, Australia,[6] and the United Kingdom.[7][5] >The slogan has been supported by white supremacists and neo-Nazis.[2][1][8] >In a February 2023 poll conducted by Rasmussen Reports, a polling firm often referred to by conservative media, 72% of 1,000 respondents agreed with the statement "It's okay to be White". Among the 130 black respondents, 53% agreed, while 26% disagreed, and 21% were unsure. Slate magazine suggested that some negative respondents may have been familiar with the term's links with white supremacy.[41] The Dilbert comic strip was dropped by many newspapers after author Scott Adams, reacting on his podcast to the outcome of this poll, characterised black people as a "hate group" for not agreeing with the statement and encouraged white people to "get the hell away from" them.[42] And now negzero7 is purposefully trolling and spreading the same false divisive misinformation himself, so his racist White Supremacist motives are extremely clear and obvious.
sanity 10mo ago
If anyone cares about the truth he explained what happened in detail in an interview at the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_bv1jfYYu4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_bv1jfYYu4
- dangus 10mo ago
  Most non-racists don’t need to spend 30 minutes on cable news explaining themselves to save face. Saying something publicly is an action. Depending on what you say, you can’t take it back. If you tell your wife you think her friend is hot and you want a threesome you can’t take that back. I also think you as the commenter should think a little bit about what motivates you to defend this guy. Why does he as a dead famous comic book author need his reputation defended? Why is it so important that we don’t see him as a racist asshole? What do you get out of that? Why not just let his own mistakes speak for themselves?
  - sanity 10mo ago
    > Most non-racists don’t need to spend 30 minutes on cable news explaining themselves to save face. Most people never get interviewed on cable news at all, so that’s not a meaningful baseline. When someone is publicly accused, explaining yourself publicly is a predictable response, not evidence of guilt. > Saying something publicly is an action. You can’t take it back. Of course you can clarify or correct yourself—people misspeak all the time. Whether that matters depends on whether listeners are interested in understanding or just in cancelling someone they don't like. > Why do you feel the need to defend him? Because I’ve listened to hundreds of hours of Scott Adams over many years, and I’m confident I understand his views far better than people judging him from short, out-of-context clips. I don’t get anything out of this except insisting that the truth matters. Even when the person involved is unpopular or dead.
    - dangus 10mo ago
      Because you’re invested. You’re a Scott Adams fan. As someone who likes the Harry Potter series, I hear you. It’s tough to see your idols fall into being dumbasses. If you sincerely think Scott Adams had zero bias, that he’s not a bigot, that he didn’t support “stop the steal,” that’s on your conscience and your value system. I choose to believe the impulse of what he said, not the 30 minutes of damage control afterward. I’d say nobody asked the guy his opinions on such subjects and just wanted to read his funny office comics. But that’s what happens with celebrities like this.
ljsprague 10mo ago
It's hyperbole and in response to black people who don't think it's OK to be white.
- dangus 10mo ago
  This is once again misunderstood. People are correctly pointing out that the phrase “it’s okay to be white” is used as a dogwhistle. They are not literally saying that it’s not okay to be white. They’re saying that those who speak that phrase are projecting their racist ideology. People who say “it’s okay to be white” think that white people are under attack and that white people need to re-establish dominance. To them, equality is a threat.
  - PlanksVariable 10mo ago
    > think that white people are under attack Yes, they think that. > and that white people need to re-establish dominance. To them, equality is a threat No. When a specific group is singled out and attacked, whether they’re white, black, or brown, man or woman, that can not be a basis for equality.
    - dangus 10mo ago
      Of course now we are getting into the persecution fetish. The entire premise of white people in America facing any kind of race-based setback is laughable.
      - PlanksVariable 10mo ago
        American political parties have revolved around platforming persecution fetishes for decades now. Real struggles are inevitably exploited by individuals who leverage identity politics for their personal gain. This has played out in every group who currently or historically suffered some injustice, I don’t need to list them all, and now we can include whites on that list. But it’s not up for debate that white college applicants, particularly from poor and middle-class backgrounds, were discriminated against by top universities who implemented race-based admissions policies. The numbers are public. There’s simply no question.
dzhiurgis 10mo ago
Best to listen him directly: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2885723/Video-Dilbert-creator-warns-white-people-away-black-people.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2885723/Video-D... 1. Poll says black people are not ok with with white people 2. Which makes them racist 3. Get away from racists Turning this 180 degrees around is insanity.
- fzeroracer 10mo ago
  That's still racist, because he's seeking out information that 'proves' his racism (and using a poll of 130 respondents as proof is insane). I feel like this thread on Scott Adams is exposing how many people on HN are just overtly racist. You can enjoy his content before he went off the rails fine, but seeing some of the takes here feels like a bunch of people are one step away from arguing that segregation should come back.
  - dzhiurgis 10mo ago
    So let's criticize the Rasmussen Reports then > how many people on HN are just overtly racist Like most people actually are... https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-40124781 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-40124781 Regardless. Funny how quickly people of kindest hearts, tops of the virtue pyramid are to cancel someone for single misinterpreted wild sentence.
    - dangus 10mo ago
      So now we’ve moved the goalposts to “most people are actually racist so it’s okay to perpetuate segregation and other remnants of racial slavery in America.” Enlightenment is a fight against our tribal instincts. But some folks think we should return to warring tribes rather than striving for something better. It’s funny how people with bigoted views can’t handle being canceled. Scott Adams literally predicted he would be “canceled” as he proceeded to say the things on his mind that he knew would cause controversy. He was okay with saying things that hurt the reputation of others but he was ultimately not okay with hurting his own reputation once he self-inflicted his wound.
Gibbon1 10mo ago
Telling to me was Scott Adams couldn't get laid in San Francisco in the 1980's. Hard not to conclude women found him repellent.

“The best advice I would give to white people is to get the hell away from black people“ -Scott Adams Does that sound reasonable to you?

by dangus 10mo ago

“The best advice I would give to white people is to get the hell away from black people“ -Scott Adams Does that sound reasonable to you?

nec4b 10mo ago

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lovich 10mo ago
Can you cite a context that makes the quote acceptable?
- deleted 10mo ago
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- negzero7 10mo ago
  Sure, the context was a poll that asked Americans "Is it OK to be white?" with about half of the black participants saying they either disagreed or weren't sure. A bit of Scott's elaboration is near the bottom: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/poll-finds-over-a-quarter-of-black-americans-dont-think-its-okay-to-be-white-scott-adams-dilbert https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/poll-finds-over-a-qu...
  - lovich 10mo ago
    I am aware of the situation and context. I was being sarcastic because the context still doesn’t make the quote acceptable.
  - meowface 10mo ago
    The poll did not ask "Is it OK to be white?", it asked "Do you agree or disagree with this statement: 'It's OK to be white.'"
    - DonHopkins 10mo ago
      Not only that, Adams deceptively included the answer "I don't know" with "I disagree", and it STILL didn't add up to 50%. And it was an ideologically motivated Push Poll from Rasumssen Reports, a slanted right wing polling organization. A fair poll would never use a White Supremacist trolling slogan as a trick question with no explanation. The question doesn't even make any sense, and was asked with no context or definition of what "ok" means, so "I don't know" is the obvious correct answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll "It's ok to be white" is a White Supremacist slogan specifically designed to troll and cause division and hatred, and Adams gleefully took that and ran with it, and lied and exaggerated to make his false racist point, just like negzero7 continue to do. What both Scott Adams and negzero7 did was PRECISELY what the White Supremacists who coined that slogan had hoped for. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white >"It's okay to be white" (IOTBW) is an alt-right slogan which originated as part of an organized trolling campaign on the website 4chan's discussion board /pol/ in 2017.[1][2][3] A /pol/ user described it as a proof of concept that an otherwise innocuous message could be used maliciously to spark media backlash.[4][5] Posters and stickers stating "It's okay to be white" were placed in streets in the United States as well as on campuses in the United States, Canada, Australia,[6] and the United Kingdom.[7][5] >The slogan has been supported by white supremacists and neo-Nazis.[2][1][8] >In a February 2023 poll conducted by Rasmussen Reports, a polling firm often referred to by conservative media, 72% of 1,000 respondents agreed with the statement "It's okay to be White". Among the 130 black respondents, 53% agreed, while 26% disagreed, and 21% were unsure. Slate magazine suggested that some negative respondents may have been familiar with the term's links with white supremacy.[41] The Dilbert comic strip was dropped by many newspapers after author Scott Adams, reacting on his podcast to the outcome of this poll, characterised black people as a "hate group" for not agreeing with the statement and encouraged white people to "get the hell away from" them.[42] And now negzero7 is purposefully trolling and spreading the same false divisive misinformation himself, so his racist White Supremacist motives are extremely clear and obvious.

sanity 10mo ago

If anyone cares about the truth he explained what happened in detail in an interview at the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_bv1jfYYu4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_bv1jfYYu4

dangus 10mo ago
Most non-racists don’t need to spend 30 minutes on cable news explaining themselves to save face. Saying something publicly is an action. Depending on what you say, you can’t take it back. If you tell your wife you think her friend is hot and you want a threesome you can’t take that back. I also think you as the commenter should think a little bit about what motivates you to defend this guy. Why does he as a dead famous comic book author need his reputation defended? Why is it so important that we don’t see him as a racist asshole? What do you get out of that? Why not just let his own mistakes speak for themselves?
- sanity 10mo ago
  > Most non-racists don’t need to spend 30 minutes on cable news explaining themselves to save face. Most people never get interviewed on cable news at all, so that’s not a meaningful baseline. When someone is publicly accused, explaining yourself publicly is a predictable response, not evidence of guilt. > Saying something publicly is an action. You can’t take it back. Of course you can clarify or correct yourself—people misspeak all the time. Whether that matters depends on whether listeners are interested in understanding or just in cancelling someone they don't like. > Why do you feel the need to defend him? Because I’ve listened to hundreds of hours of Scott Adams over many years, and I’m confident I understand his views far better than people judging him from short, out-of-context clips. I don’t get anything out of this except insisting that the truth matters. Even when the person involved is unpopular or dead.
  - dangus 10mo ago
    Because you’re invested. You’re a Scott Adams fan. As someone who likes the Harry Potter series, I hear you. It’s tough to see your idols fall into being dumbasses. If you sincerely think Scott Adams had zero bias, that he’s not a bigot, that he didn’t support “stop the steal,” that’s on your conscience and your value system. I choose to believe the impulse of what he said, not the 30 minutes of damage control afterward. I’d say nobody asked the guy his opinions on such subjects and just wanted to read his funny office comics. But that’s what happens with celebrities like this.

ljsprague 10mo ago

It's hyperbole and in response to black people who don't think it's OK to be white.

dangus 10mo ago
This is once again misunderstood. People are correctly pointing out that the phrase “it’s okay to be white” is used as a dogwhistle. They are not literally saying that it’s not okay to be white. They’re saying that those who speak that phrase are projecting their racist ideology. People who say “it’s okay to be white” think that white people are under attack and that white people need to re-establish dominance. To them, equality is a threat.
- PlanksVariable 10mo ago
  > think that white people are under attack Yes, they think that. > and that white people need to re-establish dominance. To them, equality is a threat No. When a specific group is singled out and attacked, whether they’re white, black, or brown, man or woman, that can not be a basis for equality.
  - dangus 10mo ago
    Of course now we are getting into the persecution fetish. The entire premise of white people in America facing any kind of race-based setback is laughable.
    - PlanksVariable 10mo ago
      American political parties have revolved around platforming persecution fetishes for decades now. Real struggles are inevitably exploited by individuals who leverage identity politics for their personal gain. This has played out in every group who currently or historically suffered some injustice, I don’t need to list them all, and now we can include whites on that list. But it’s not up for debate that white college applicants, particularly from poor and middle-class backgrounds, were discriminated against by top universities who implemented race-based admissions policies. The numbers are public. There’s simply no question.

dzhiurgis 10mo ago

Best to listen him directly: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2885723/Video-Dilbert-creator-warns-white-people-away-black-people.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2885723/Video-D... 1. Poll says black people are not ok with with white people 2. Which makes them racist 3. Get away from racists Turning this 180 degrees around is insanity.

fzeroracer 10mo ago
That's still racist, because he's seeking out information that 'proves' his racism (and using a poll of 130 respondents as proof is insane). I feel like this thread on Scott Adams is exposing how many people on HN are just overtly racist. You can enjoy his content before he went off the rails fine, but seeing some of the takes here feels like a bunch of people are one step away from arguing that segregation should come back.
- dzhiurgis 10mo ago
  So let's criticize the Rasmussen Reports then > how many people on HN are just overtly racist Like most people actually are... https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-40124781 https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-40124781 Regardless. Funny how quickly people of kindest hearts, tops of the virtue pyramid are to cancel someone for single misinterpreted wild sentence.
  - dangus 10mo ago
    So now we’ve moved the goalposts to “most people are actually racist so it’s okay to perpetuate segregation and other remnants of racial slavery in America.” Enlightenment is a fight against our tribal instincts. But some folks think we should return to warring tribes rather than striving for something better. It’s funny how people with bigoted views can’t handle being canceled. Scott Adams literally predicted he would be “canceled” as he proceeded to say the things on his mind that he knew would cause controversy. He was okay with saying things that hurt the reputation of others but he was ultimately not okay with hurting his own reputation once he self-inflicted his wound.

Gibbon1 10mo ago

Telling to me was Scott Adams couldn't get laid in San Francisco in the 1980's. Hard not to conclude women found him repellent.