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As someone very vocal on Iran, I find these recriminations shallow and generally intended to be punitive about those positions in those others places. By the s
by averysmallbird 9mo ago
As someone very vocal on Iran, I find these recriminations shallow and generally intended to be punitive about those positions in those others places.
By the same precedent, it opens up Iranian human rights activists to the same endless accusations — when were you vocal on M23, Haiti, Kashmir, Kurds, Muslims in India, etc etc. I don't think it's countless silent organizations, and those organizations or activists are generally not in position to be able to influence the IRI or IRGC.
I think you have distinguish between feckless organizations like the ITU, and say, college student campus activists.
- neoromantique 9mo ago>when were you vocal on M23, Haiti, Kashmir, Kurds, Muslims in India... That is the entire point, Gaza protests have been very vocal (and in many cases very misinformed). Human right abuses in Iran are but another example of this blindness.
- RobertoG 9mo agoMisinformed, sure. As it's not obvious what Israel is trying to do in Gaza. You ask for equal reaction, here it goes: I want for Israel the same sanctions that are applied to Iran and Russia. Fair, right?
- tehjoker 9mo agoIt's very obvious what they are trying to accomplish: ethnic cleansing. The idea is to make life so miserable to Palestinians that they will give up their national liberation struggle and venture into the punishing Sinai desert, allowing Israel and Trump to build a riviera and a gas pipeline on the sea. If they can't get them to leave, the partial genocide will escalate into a full blown mass murder campaign.
- mhb 9mo agoSurely the oxymoronic "partial genocide" should reveal how ridiculous it is to invoke this bit of propaganda.
- RobertoG 9mo agoIs not that Israel wants a genocide, is that it's pretty obvious that they are ready to commit one in order to get the ethnic cleansing that they want. This is obvious. In fact, I suspect that they are going to success, and in a few years we will have to hear how that was a terrible mistake, but, of course, never again. Maybe, even you will be saying that.
- tehjoker 9mo agoRobertoG's comment is a good one, but I will add that the definition of genocide is defined in the genocide convention as: Article 2 of the Convention defines genocide as: ... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. — Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2[9] I was sloppy in saying "partial genocide" as a colloquialism, because "partial genocide" is the crime of genocide full stop.
- mhb 9mo agoYeah. Let's pile on enough definitional nuance in order to apply it to a situation in which it is clear that the previous, universal understanding doesn't fit in order to stoke outrage. Besides, that's clearly not Israel's intent or it would have already been accomplished. Maybe the reason for your "sloppiness" is that you instinctively understand the absurdity?
- tehjoker 9mo ago
- neoromantique 9mo agoNope, you flip the aggressor and the victim. But thank you for showing your biases so openly.
- ericmay 9mo agoI think it's a fair criticism though because of the general vitriol about Hamas and Gaza. The same folks are very much in a position on college campuses to protest about numerous injustices going on in the world, from Iran to Somalia to Haiti to Cuba, yet they're silent. Why is that? It's a fair question. I don't think there's some moral failure for caring about one issue affecting one group of people more than another, but you really have to wonder why we care so much about Palestine over other issues, even more gruesome injustices. This isn't to diminish of course the plight of Palestinians or any group for that matter, but it's a very clear outlier in the American, and dare I say entire western psyche.
- fmbb 9mo agoI don’t think that is a fair question if one has at any time tried to look into what exactly these protestors are protesting or how protest works.
- ericmay 9mo agoSure, care to elaborate on what exactly these protestors are protesting, or how protesting works and why that's uniquely different for Palestine versus other equally horrible injustices?
- criddell 9mo agoCould it be as simple as the people supporting Palestine are better at social media?
- Archio 9mo ago“it's a fair criticism though because of the general vitriol about Hamas and Gaza.” Ok, you’ve convinced me. I now firmly support reducing billions in American aid to Iran, curtailing Iranian use of American bombs, and diplomatic cover America gives to Iran in the UN. I am now also calling strongly to remove all these state laws we have that ban government business with companies that don’t support Iran!
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- epolanski 9mo agoThe rohingya in Myanmar just 10 years ago. Myanmar was literally burning people in open pits, happened across 800 villages, most people don't even know that happened.