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If what you’re just concerned about people “baring themselves on camera” then they can continue to do that without emigrating to America and it would still affe

by hnlmorg 10mo ago

If what you’re just concerned about people “baring themselves on camera” then they can continue to do that without emigrating to America and it would still affect your culture. The internet is global after all. Also, it’s going to take more than a few thousand immigrants a year to affect the culture of a country as populous as America.

NewJazz 10mo ago
The internet is global, but having folks in our midst who make a living that way has more of an effect on our culture than if they are just on the internet.
- hnlmorg 10mo ago
  Why? I actually worked in the adult industry earlier in my career so have a better insight than most. and I can tell you that these models are just normal people like you an I. They aren’t interested in corrupting your children nor throwing wild sex parties in public spaces.
  - NewJazz 10mo ago
    Just because they don't have ill intent doesn't mean the fact that some of the most highly paid members of our society being sex workers sends a message about what kind of skills and assets are valuable, and which aren't as valuable.
    - hnlmorg 10mo ago
      Unfortunately that ship has already sailed and immigration wasn’t the reason. It turns out that American citizens can work in the adult industry too and it’s not just immigrants who are capable of earning money from getting naked on camera. ;)
      - NewJazz 10mo ago
        Isn't that argument just a form of the sunk cost fallacy?
        hnlmorg 10mo ago
        Only if you demonise the adult entertainment industry, which I wasn’t.
        NewJazz 10mo ago
        That's a non sequiter. You said the "ship has sailed", so we shouldn't attempt to reset norms.
    - wolvoleo 10mo ago
      > skills and assets I saw what you did there :D
  - throw0101d 10mo ago
    > They aren’t interested in corrupting your children nor throwing wild sex parties in public spaces. RFK Jr., the current top health official in the US, is not interested in harming children either, and thinks he is doing a good public service: what is the reality though? * https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/01/measles-continues-raging-in-south-carolina-99-new-cases-since-tuesday/ https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/01/measles-continues-rag... * https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/01/under-anti-vaccine-rfk-jr-cdc-slashes-childhood-vaccine-schedule/ https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/01/under-anti-vaccine-rf... * https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/01/warning-about-bogus-autism-treatments-vanishes-from-fdas-website/ https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/01/warning-about-bogus-a... One's intentions and the results of one's actions can be two different things. * https://acpeds.org/the-impact-of-pornography-on-children/ https://acpeds.org/the-impact-of-pornography-on-children/ * https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/is-pornography-harmful https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/is-pornography-h... * https://extension.usu.edu/relationships/research/effects-of-pornography-on-relationships https://extension.usu.edu/relationships/research/effects-of-... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography
    - hnlmorg 10mo ago
      Last time I checked, “cam girls” don’t run the country. So I don’t think you can make a comparison there. Plus the issues with JFK Jr are specific to him. It’s a bit of a stretch to imply that his view points are in any way related to his exposure pornography. That is unless “brain work” is some kind of euphemism I’m unaware of ;) > One's intentions and the results of one's actions can be two different things. Those articles mention just as many positives as negatives. Porn isn’t inherently bad. It’s like alcohol, exercise, and other past times: moderation is the key. Humans can get addicted to any kind of behaviour. The absolute worst thing you can do is make a topic a taboo because then you cannot keep people safe. This is as true for pornography as it is for weightlifting. And frankly, hadn’t you got better things to do than worry about what consenting adults do in their private lives? It’s all a bit silly and prudish don’t you think?
      - brewcejener 10mo ago
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volkk 10mo ago
i mean you said it yourself, the internet is global. those few thousand can have impressions of hundreds of millions. whether they do their cam shows abroad or local matters little. it's the inherent incentivization approved by a government that leads to deeper cultural erosion. if you're in a poor country with no access to education, and your only way into the US is porn, then that's what will ultimately win, rather than incentivizing higher education, etc. And before an argument is made that this will just be a way to get in and then those folks will go and seek PHDs and be productive members of society--i have a bridge to sell you.
- wredcoll 10mo ago
  It worked for melania!
- t-3 10mo ago
  Sex sells and everybody knows that. Why should the government use antiquated-at-best moral codes to discriminate against people who will increase the global influence of the country? Cultural exportation and exploitation have been key to US soft power for nearly a century.
  - volkk 10mo ago
    crack also sells, amongst many other things that are inherently horrible for broad modern society. > Why should the government use antiquated-at-best moral codes to discriminate against people who will increase the global influence of the country this is a very loaded statement that assumes that everyone is in agreement that proliferating and rewarding cam models is some kind of inherent good. there's nothing antiquated morally with simply not rewarding it. i'm not stating to ban it outright. there's always use in it at the long tail of society
    - hnlmorg 10mo ago
      > i'm not stating to ban it outright. there's always use in it at the long tail of society You might not have any interest in adult entertainment, but that doesn’t mean the industry only exists in the “long tail of society”. The problem with social taboos is rarely a moral one, and usually more that people feel embarrassed or scared to be open and honest. And usually that stems from others being unreasonably judgmental.

by hnlmorg 10mo ago

NewJazz 10mo ago

The internet is global, but having folks in our midst who make a living that way has more of an effect on our culture than if they are just on the internet.

hnlmorg 10mo ago
Why? I actually worked in the adult industry earlier in my career so have a better insight than most. and I can tell you that these models are just normal people like you an I. They aren’t interested in corrupting your children nor throwing wild sex parties in public spaces.
- NewJazz 10mo ago
  Just because they don't have ill intent doesn't mean the fact that some of the most highly paid members of our society being sex workers sends a message about what kind of skills and assets are valuable, and which aren't as valuable.
  - hnlmorg 10mo ago
    Unfortunately that ship has already sailed and immigration wasn’t the reason. It turns out that American citizens can work in the adult industry too and it’s not just immigrants who are capable of earning money from getting naked on camera. ;)
    - NewJazz 10mo ago
      Isn't that argument just a form of the sunk cost fallacy?
      - hnlmorg 10mo ago
        Only if you demonise the adult entertainment industry, which I wasn’t.
        NewJazz 10mo ago
        That's a non sequiter. You said the "ship has sailed", so we shouldn't attempt to reset norms.
  - wolvoleo 10mo ago
    > skills and assets I saw what you did there :D
- throw0101d 10mo ago
  > They aren’t interested in corrupting your children nor throwing wild sex parties in public spaces. RFK Jr., the current top health official in the US, is not interested in harming children either, and thinks he is doing a good public service: what is the reality though? * https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/01/measles-continues-raging-in-south-carolina-99-new-cases-since-tuesday/ https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/01/measles-continues-rag... * https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/01/under-anti-vaccine-rfk-jr-cdc-slashes-childhood-vaccine-schedule/ https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/01/under-anti-vaccine-rf... * https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/01/warning-about-bogus-autism-treatments-vanishes-from-fdas-website/ https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/01/warning-about-bogus-a... One's intentions and the results of one's actions can be two different things. * https://acpeds.org/the-impact-of-pornography-on-children/ https://acpeds.org/the-impact-of-pornography-on-children/ * https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/is-pornography-harmful https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/is-pornography-h... * https://extension.usu.edu/relationships/research/effects-of-pornography-on-relationships https://extension.usu.edu/relationships/research/effects-of-... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography
  - hnlmorg 10mo ago
    Last time I checked, “cam girls” don’t run the country. So I don’t think you can make a comparison there. Plus the issues with JFK Jr are specific to him. It’s a bit of a stretch to imply that his view points are in any way related to his exposure pornography. That is unless “brain work” is some kind of euphemism I’m unaware of ;) > One's intentions and the results of one's actions can be two different things. Those articles mention just as many positives as negatives. Porn isn’t inherently bad. It’s like alcohol, exercise, and other past times: moderation is the key. Humans can get addicted to any kind of behaviour. The absolute worst thing you can do is make a topic a taboo because then you cannot keep people safe. This is as true for pornography as it is for weightlifting. And frankly, hadn’t you got better things to do than worry about what consenting adults do in their private lives? It’s all a bit silly and prudish don’t you think?
    - brewcejener 10mo ago

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volkk 10mo ago

i mean you said it yourself, the internet is global. those few thousand can have impressions of hundreds of millions. whether they do their cam shows abroad or local matters little. it's the inherent incentivization approved by a government that leads to deeper cultural erosion. if you're in a poor country with no access to education, and your only way into the US is porn, then that's what will ultimately win, rather than incentivizing higher education, etc. And before an argument is made that this will just be a way to get in and then those folks will go and seek PHDs and be productive members of society--i have a bridge to sell you.

wredcoll 10mo ago
It worked for melania!
t-3 10mo ago
Sex sells and everybody knows that. Why should the government use antiquated-at-best moral codes to discriminate against people who will increase the global influence of the country? Cultural exportation and exploitation have been key to US soft power for nearly a century.
- volkk 10mo ago
  crack also sells, amongst many other things that are inherently horrible for broad modern society. > Why should the government use antiquated-at-best moral codes to discriminate against people who will increase the global influence of the country this is a very loaded statement that assumes that everyone is in agreement that proliferating and rewarding cam models is some kind of inherent good. there's nothing antiquated morally with simply not rewarding it. i'm not stating to ban it outright. there's always use in it at the long tail of society
  - hnlmorg 10mo ago
    > i'm not stating to ban it outright. there's always use in it at the long tail of society You might not have any interest in adult entertainment, but that doesn’t mean the industry only exists in the “long tail of society”. The problem with social taboos is rarely a moral one, and usually more that people feel embarrassed or scared to be open and honest. And usually that stems from others being unreasonably judgmental.