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>I'm inclined to think Ukraine is fighting our war for us. Is there a war we needed to fight with Russia in this decade, the next decade, or the last, and if s

>I'm inclined to think Ukraine is fighting our war for us. Is there a war we needed to fight with Russia in this decade, the next decade, or the last, and if so, is Ukraine even damaging the parts that matter? Russia nukes hold America at threat, not a bunch of conscripts and some old BMPs. America isn’t safer if Ukraine scores another 100K Russian casualties, and there’s even an argument that a destabilized, volatilized Russia would be more dangerous for America.

ericmay 10mo ago
> America isn’t safer if Ukraine scores another 100K Russian casualties Europe is safer though, so there's that at least. Russia can't invade the United States of course, but it can invade other countries in Europe, and it is actively taking action to do so.
- alex43578 10mo ago
  Good thing NATO has consistently hit the 2% funding target, and Europe more broadly hasn’t neglected to maintain their defense spending in favor of profligate social welfare spending.
- FpUser 10mo ago
  Some 150,000,000 people in Russia vs some 450,000,000 in EU. I think it is unrealistic and I think Russia / Putin knows it.
  - ericmay 10mo ago
    Depends. Is he actually fighting 450,000,000 in the EU? Is Portugal going to send troops to the front lines in Estonia? Will Germans accept being drafted to go fight in Ukraine? These are serious questions. Meanwhile Putin is very much able to draft Russians to fight wars, and god-forbid he takes over Ukraine he'll send Ukrainians too.
    - FpUser 10mo ago
      >"Will Germans accept being drafted to go fight in Ukraine" Ukraine is not in EU. As for the rest - if they don't then, well, they were just hiding behind the US with all the consequences.
      - machomaster 10mo ago
        And in this case the US participation should come. Wouldn't be better to fight a Putin's Russia that was weakened in Ukraine? Perhaps weakened so much, that Putin's won't attack at all. Perhaps weaken so much, that the US can scale down its European military force deployment (saving money) and concentrate on other things (China). So yeah, US investments in Ukraine directly benefit America. Ukrainians are fighting for Americans. So much so, that they are destroying Russia's nuclear weapons capabilities (destroying radars, strategic bombers, submarines and ships, weapons arsenal, ballistic rockets, carriers of nuclear weapons like Iskanders).
      - ericmay 10mo ago
        I’m not following your point, or maybe you missed mine. You said 100,000 Russian soldiers dead doesn’t make the US any safer, and I agree, but it does make Europe safer because there are fewer Russian soldiers. But then you compared the population of Russia and the EU to imply that Russia is no threat to Europe. But that analysis is flawed, because the population of Europe isn’t one monolithic block that is guaranteed to respond to Russia with military force in such a way that a direct comparison of the numbers makes much sense. For example, what I mentioned already. And your reply was Ukraine is not in the EU. ??
        FpUser 10mo ago
        >You said 100,000 Russian ..." I think you putting words in my mouth. Quote me please. This was somebody else's statement >"But that analysis is flawed, because the population of Europe isn’t one monolithic block that is guaranteed to respond to Russia" And my answer was that if they do not they were just hiding behind the US all that time. If the EU will not fight for the EU then, well no need for me to continue.. >"And your reply was Ukraine is not in the EU" This was in response to: "Will Germans accept being drafted to go fight in Ukraine". They (Germans) will most likely not accept and exactly for the reason that the Ukraine is not in the EU.

ericmay 10mo ago

> America isn’t safer if Ukraine scores another 100K Russian casualties Europe is safer though, so there's that at least. Russia can't invade the United States of course, but it can invade other countries in Europe, and it is actively taking action to do so.

alex43578 10mo ago
Good thing NATO has consistently hit the 2% funding target, and Europe more broadly hasn’t neglected to maintain their defense spending in favor of profligate social welfare spending.
FpUser 10mo ago
Some 150,000,000 people in Russia vs some 450,000,000 in EU. I think it is unrealistic and I think Russia / Putin knows it.
- ericmay 10mo ago
  Depends. Is he actually fighting 450,000,000 in the EU? Is Portugal going to send troops to the front lines in Estonia? Will Germans accept being drafted to go fight in Ukraine? These are serious questions. Meanwhile Putin is very much able to draft Russians to fight wars, and god-forbid he takes over Ukraine he'll send Ukrainians too.
  - FpUser 10mo ago
    >"Will Germans accept being drafted to go fight in Ukraine" Ukraine is not in EU. As for the rest - if they don't then, well, they were just hiding behind the US with all the consequences.
    - machomaster 10mo ago
      And in this case the US participation should come. Wouldn't be better to fight a Putin's Russia that was weakened in Ukraine? Perhaps weakened so much, that Putin's won't attack at all. Perhaps weaken so much, that the US can scale down its European military force deployment (saving money) and concentrate on other things (China). So yeah, US investments in Ukraine directly benefit America. Ukrainians are fighting for Americans. So much so, that they are destroying Russia's nuclear weapons capabilities (destroying radars, strategic bombers, submarines and ships, weapons arsenal, ballistic rockets, carriers of nuclear weapons like Iskanders).
    - ericmay 10mo ago
      I’m not following your point, or maybe you missed mine. You said 100,000 Russian soldiers dead doesn’t make the US any safer, and I agree, but it does make Europe safer because there are fewer Russian soldiers. But then you compared the population of Russia and the EU to imply that Russia is no threat to Europe. But that analysis is flawed, because the population of Europe isn’t one monolithic block that is guaranteed to respond to Russia with military force in such a way that a direct comparison of the numbers makes much sense. For example, what I mentioned already. And your reply was Ukraine is not in the EU. ??
      - FpUser 10mo ago
        >You said 100,000 Russian ..." I think you putting words in my mouth. Quote me please. This was somebody else's statement >"But that analysis is flawed, because the population of Europe isn’t one monolithic block that is guaranteed to respond to Russia" And my answer was that if they do not they were just hiding behind the US all that time. If the EU will not fight for the EU then, well no need for me to continue.. >"And your reply was Ukraine is not in the EU" This was in response to: "Will Germans accept being drafted to go fight in Ukraine". They (Germans) will most likely not accept and exactly for the reason that the Ukraine is not in the EU.