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It's absolutely wild to me that two people can watch the same video and come up with completely different conclusions as to what happened. > She sees he is th

It's absolutely wild to me that two people can watch the same video and come up with completely different conclusions as to what happened. > She sees he is there, puts it in drive, and pulls forward. The fact that her steering was cranked to the right is proof enough that she was not intending on hitting him.

alex43578 10mo ago
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- leptons 10mo ago
  He pulled his gun out before she moved the car anywhere. He was already intending to shoot her.
  - alex43578 10mo ago
    You do know that’s a lie easily refuted by all the video evidence, right?
    - Sohcahtoa82 9mo ago
      Not at all. I watched the video from Ross's phone. At first, from that angle, it actually looks like he's lunging in front of Good's car, but then I remembered the other angle. He moved his phone from his right hand to his left hand so he could grab his gun. But the car is still traveling in reverse as this happens. And when Good starts moving, the wheel is cranked to the right -- away from Ross. I notice something important: Ross did not back away when the car starting moving. He stood his ground. If Good was intending to run over him, all she would have needed to do was center the wheel, maybe even keep it slightly to the left. But no, she was cranked to the right, away from him. Ross didn't move at all, and didn't get run over. From what I can see, Good hit reverse to execute a 2-point turn to leave, and Ross responded by moving his phone to his left hand so he could unholster his gun with his right. But the fact is, Ross failed to properly act according to training. If you do believe someone is trying to run over you, the proper response is to get the hell out of the way, not stand your ground and shoot the driver. Cars aren't exactly known for stopping just because the driver is dead.
      - alex43578 9mo ago
        >He pulled his gun out before she moved the car anywhere So this is a lie, by your own admission. Her car is already moving before he reaches for his gun. -- The tactic of relocating is not a legal requirement. Failing to retreat doesn't prevent him from defending himself. While Minnesota absurdly has "duty to retreat" laws, since he is operating as federal law enforcement he is only required to have "reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death... to the officer", and he can reasonably believe that she is trying to run him over, given she puts it in gear and pulls forward towards him, from a stop, as he's right at her bumper.
        Sohcahtoa82 9mo ago
        I think this is a strong case of a story having her side, his side, and the truth. I think the reasonable position to take is that she was not intending to run him over, but he believed (reasonably) that she was, and so shot. In this case, it'd be wrong to accuse Ross of murder, but it'd also be wrong to label Good as a domestic terrorist as Trump and his administration have been doing.
        alex43578 9mo ago
        Sure, I’m fine with that. The administration, as usual, is making exaggerated and bombastic claims to support a base position that’s actually pretty reasonable (driving towards law enforcement to flee an interaction is dangerous for the driver and LEOs).
    - leptons 9mo ago
      She was actually backing up away from the officer that shot her while he was reaching for his gun. So she was moving away from him, and he goes for his gun. The videos clearly shows this.
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- goatlover 10mo ago
  Law enforcement is trained not to shoot at a moving vehicle because you risk public safety if the driver is incapacitated. Also LE is trained not to put themselves in front or back of the vehicle, since you can get run over that way. Agent Jonathan Ross did not follow his training, despite being dragged by a vehicle months earlier. You also have to ask why Renee Good decided to leave her wife behind who tried to get in the locked passenger door. Another agent was grabbing the driver door and reaching his hand inside. What was Mr. Ross doing with his free hand? He was holding his phone in the other hand to video the encounter for some reason, even though they're supposed to have body cams. There's no way a judge or jury looks at this and thinks the agents involved followed proper training.
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    - goatlover 9mo ago
      Well that's not what I've seen said by law enforcement officers analyzing the video footage, but then again I avoid watching news media that serves the interests of the current administration. It's upsetting so many people repeat propaganda.
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leptons 10mo ago
He pulled his gun out before she moved the car anywhere. He was already intending to shoot her.
- alex43578 10mo ago
  You do know that’s a lie easily refuted by all the video evidence, right?
  - Sohcahtoa82 9mo ago
    Not at all. I watched the video from Ross's phone. At first, from that angle, it actually looks like he's lunging in front of Good's car, but then I remembered the other angle. He moved his phone from his right hand to his left hand so he could grab his gun. But the car is still traveling in reverse as this happens. And when Good starts moving, the wheel is cranked to the right -- away from Ross. I notice something important: Ross did not back away when the car starting moving. He stood his ground. If Good was intending to run over him, all she would have needed to do was center the wheel, maybe even keep it slightly to the left. But no, she was cranked to the right, away from him. Ross didn't move at all, and didn't get run over. From what I can see, Good hit reverse to execute a 2-point turn to leave, and Ross responded by moving his phone to his left hand so he could unholster his gun with his right. But the fact is, Ross failed to properly act according to training. If you do believe someone is trying to run over you, the proper response is to get the hell out of the way, not stand your ground and shoot the driver. Cars aren't exactly known for stopping just because the driver is dead.
    - alex43578 9mo ago
      >He pulled his gun out before she moved the car anywhere So this is a lie, by your own admission. Her car is already moving before he reaches for his gun. -- The tactic of relocating is not a legal requirement. Failing to retreat doesn't prevent him from defending himself. While Minnesota absurdly has "duty to retreat" laws, since he is operating as federal law enforcement he is only required to have "reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death... to the officer", and he can reasonably believe that she is trying to run him over, given she puts it in gear and pulls forward towards him, from a stop, as he's right at her bumper.
      - Sohcahtoa82 9mo ago
        I think this is a strong case of a story having her side, his side, and the truth. I think the reasonable position to take is that she was not intending to run him over, but he believed (reasonably) that she was, and so shot. In this case, it'd be wrong to accuse Ross of murder, but it'd also be wrong to label Good as a domestic terrorist as Trump and his administration have been doing.
        alex43578 9mo ago
        Sure, I’m fine with that. The administration, as usual, is making exaggerated and bombastic claims to support a base position that’s actually pretty reasonable (driving towards law enforcement to flee an interaction is dangerous for the driver and LEOs).
  - leptons 9mo ago
    She was actually backing up away from the officer that shot her while he was reaching for his gun. So she was moving away from him, and he goes for his gun. The videos clearly shows this.
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goatlover 10mo ago
Law enforcement is trained not to shoot at a moving vehicle because you risk public safety if the driver is incapacitated. Also LE is trained not to put themselves in front or back of the vehicle, since you can get run over that way. Agent Jonathan Ross did not follow his training, despite being dragged by a vehicle months earlier. You also have to ask why Renee Good decided to leave her wife behind who tried to get in the locked passenger door. Another agent was grabbing the driver door and reaching his hand inside. What was Mr. Ross doing with his free hand? He was holding his phone in the other hand to video the encounter for some reason, even though they're supposed to have body cams. There's no way a judge or jury looks at this and thinks the agents involved followed proper training.
- alex43578 10mo ago
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  - goatlover 9mo ago
    Well that's not what I've seen said by law enforcement officers analyzing the video footage, but then again I avoid watching news media that serves the interests of the current administration. It's upsetting so many people repeat propaganda.
    - alex43578 9mo ago
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