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As someone who doesn’t use these products (FB, TikTok, Twitter, &c) I think it’s very clearly time to require proof of citizenship and formal ID verification to

by ericmay 10mo ago

As someone who doesn’t use these products (FB, TikTok, Twitter, &c) I think it’s very clearly time to require proof of citizenship and formal ID verification to at least post content. I’m not suggesting all of the Internet needs to go that way, but for large social media platforms I don’t see why not. You can argue that journalists need anonymity but I’m confident we can find a workaround or solution there. I understand there’s this hacker spirit of doing things anonymous and I get it, and agree with it, but these platforms are the most mainstream things imaginable and they are way past the point of having gotten out of control. You can’t have MAGA/Hamas/Iran/Antifa/Russia/Cuba/China/India/Pakistan all participating in shaping public opinion and sowing disinformation without contest. I’m surprised that western countries have been somewhat resilient to all of this BS by and large (nothing is collapsing, just degrading), but for how long?

ricochet11 10mo ago
Maybe they can work out some ZKproofs of ID thing and it becomes more palatable. I know there’s people in the crypto world trying to solve problems like that. At the moment kyc results in private data later being stolen or sold - and buying stolen ids to register is too easy. But maybe oneday we can prove who we are (or prove unique human) without needing to trust the authority of the site owner at the same time
- ericmay 10mo ago
  I think that's a good idea for the verification mechanism so we don't expose data unnecessary. But I think it should have to be your literal name, city of residence, place of employment, &c *. on your posts. No hiding. People should know who they're talking to or who they're dealing with. There's some interesting discussion to be had about people who have something to lose moderating their opinion, a group of people who don't care about their reputation attacking people online and offline, &c. but those items can be worked and talked though I think. Alternatively, if you don't want to do that just don't use the platforms. As someone who doesn't, it sucks that I have to sit here and watch people get radicalized or become confused about reality and then go and affect my daily life with their lunacy. It's annoying. * I'm open-minded on the details, just using these as examples or discussion items.
- consumer451 10mo ago
  Is that not what this is? This is out of my wheelhouse, so genuine question. https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/safety-security/opening-up-zero-knowledge-proof-technology-to-promote-privacy-in-age-assurance/ https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/safety-secu...

by ericmay 10mo ago

ricochet11 10mo ago

Maybe they can work out some ZKproofs of ID thing and it becomes more palatable. I know there’s people in the crypto world trying to solve problems like that. At the moment kyc results in private data later being stolen or sold - and buying stolen ids to register is too easy. But maybe oneday we can prove who we are (or prove unique human) without needing to trust the authority of the site owner at the same time

ericmay 10mo ago
I think that's a good idea for the verification mechanism so we don't expose data unnecessary. But I think it should have to be your literal name, city of residence, place of employment, &c *. on your posts. No hiding. People should know who they're talking to or who they're dealing with. There's some interesting discussion to be had about people who have something to lose moderating their opinion, a group of people who don't care about their reputation attacking people online and offline, &c. but those items can be worked and talked though I think. Alternatively, if you don't want to do that just don't use the platforms. As someone who doesn't, it sucks that I have to sit here and watch people get radicalized or become confused about reality and then go and affect my daily life with their lunacy. It's annoying. * I'm open-minded on the details, just using these as examples or discussion items.
consumer451 10mo ago
Is that not what this is? This is out of my wheelhouse, so genuine question. https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/safety-security/opening-up-zero-knowledge-proof-technology-to-promote-privacy-in-age-assurance/ https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/safety-secu...