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It really should be like that indeed. Where is RMS? Is he working on GPLv4?

by teekert 9mo ago

twoodfin 9mo ago
If model training is determined to be fair use under US copyright law—either legislated by Congress or interpreted by Federal courts—then no license text can remove the right to use source code that way.
- RobotToaster 9mo ago
  > then no license text can remove the right to use source code that way. At least in the US. Quite what happens if another country ordered, say chatGPT, to be released under the AGPL since it was trained on AGPL code, who knows.
oblio 9mo ago
RMS is probably greatly behind the technical news at this point. I mean, he's surfing the web via a email summary of some websites. Even if he doesn't condone of how the internet is evolving, he can't really keep up with technology if he doesn't "mingle". He's also 72, we can't expect him to save everyone. We need new generations of FOSS tech leaders.
- Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
  I am gen-z and I am part of the foss community (I think) and one of the issues about new generations of FOSS tech leaders is that even if one tries to do so. Something about Richard stallman really is out of this world where he made people care about Open source in the first place. I genuinely don't know how people can relicate it. I had even tried and gone through such phase once but the comments weren't really helpful back then on hackernews https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45558430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45558430 (Ask HN: Why are most people not interested in FOSS/OSS and can we change that)
  - teekert 9mo ago
    As much as RMS meant for the world, he’s also a pretty petty person. He’s about freedom but mostly about user freedom, not creators freedom. I also went through such a phase but using words like “evil” is just too black and white. I don’t think he is a nice person to be around.l, judging from some podcasts and videos.
    - trashb 9mo ago
      If there is one thing Stallman knows well is the way he uses words and I can assure you if he calls something "evil" that is exactly the word he meant to use. > user freedom, not creators freedom In his view users are the creators and creators are the users. The only freedom he asks you to give up is the freedom to limit the freedom of others.
      - teekert 9mo ago
        RMS asks you to give something up: Your right to share a thing you made, under your conditions (which may be conditions even the receiving party agree on), nobody is forced in this situation, and then he calls that evil. I think that is wrong. I love FOSS, don't get me wrong. But people should be able to say: I made this, if you want to use it, it's under these condition or I won't share it. Again, imho the GPL is a blessing for humanity, and bless the people that choose it freely.
        teekert 9mo ago
        Oh and bless the people that won't use anything but GPL software. Don't bless the people that think you are evil for not applying the GPL to your creation.
        sham1 9mo ago
        > RMS asks you to give something up: Your right to share a thing you made, under your conditions (which may be conditions even the receiving party agree on), nobody is forced in this situation, and then he calls that evil. I think that is wrong. This is not true, though. As a copyright holder, you are allowed to license your work however you wish, even if it's under for example GPL-3.0-or-later or whatever. You can license your code outside of the terms of the GPL to a particular user or group of users for example for payment. Really, it's only when the user agrees to abide by the license that you'd have to give access to source code when asked, for example. > I love FOSS, don't get me wrong. But people should be able to say: I made this, if you want to use it, it's under these condition or I won't share it. And they can. Whether that wins one any friends or not is another matter.
trashb 9mo ago
You can follow him on https://stallman.org/ https://stallman.org/ What is he doing? I believe still giving talks and taking stance on current day political issues. Additionally I believe the last few years where quite turbulent so I assume he is taking life at his own pace.

It really should be like that indeed. Where is RMS? Is he working on GPLv4?

by teekert 9mo ago

It really should be like that indeed. Where is RMS? Is he working on GPLv4?

If model training is determined to be fair use under US copyright law—either legislated by Congress or interpreted by Federal courts—then no license text can remove the right to use source code that way.

RobotToaster 9mo ago
> then no license text can remove the right to use source code that way. At least in the US. Quite what happens if another country ordered, say chatGPT, to be released under the AGPL since it was trained on AGPL code, who knows.

oblio 9mo ago

RMS is probably greatly behind the technical news at this point. I mean, he's surfing the web via a email summary of some websites. Even if he doesn't condone of how the internet is evolving, he can't really keep up with technology if he doesn't "mingle". He's also 72, we can't expect him to save everyone. We need new generations of FOSS tech leaders.

Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
I am gen-z and I am part of the foss community (I think) and one of the issues about new generations of FOSS tech leaders is that even if one tries to do so. Something about Richard stallman really is out of this world where he made people care about Open source in the first place. I genuinely don't know how people can relicate it. I had even tried and gone through such phase once but the comments weren't really helpful back then on hackernews https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45558430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45558430 (Ask HN: Why are most people not interested in FOSS/OSS and can we change that)
- teekert 9mo ago
  As much as RMS meant for the world, he’s also a pretty petty person. He’s about freedom but mostly about user freedom, not creators freedom. I also went through such a phase but using words like “evil” is just too black and white. I don’t think he is a nice person to be around.l, judging from some podcasts and videos.
  - trashb 9mo ago
    If there is one thing Stallman knows well is the way he uses words and I can assure you if he calls something "evil" that is exactly the word he meant to use. > user freedom, not creators freedom In his view users are the creators and creators are the users. The only freedom he asks you to give up is the freedom to limit the freedom of others.
    - teekert 9mo ago
      RMS asks you to give something up: Your right to share a thing you made, under your conditions (which may be conditions even the receiving party agree on), nobody is forced in this situation, and then he calls that evil. I think that is wrong. I love FOSS, don't get me wrong. But people should be able to say: I made this, if you want to use it, it's under these condition or I won't share it. Again, imho the GPL is a blessing for humanity, and bless the people that choose it freely.
      - teekert 9mo ago
        Oh and bless the people that won't use anything but GPL software. Don't bless the people that think you are evil for not applying the GPL to your creation.
      - sham1 9mo ago
        > RMS asks you to give something up: Your right to share a thing you made, under your conditions (which may be conditions even the receiving party agree on), nobody is forced in this situation, and then he calls that evil. I think that is wrong. This is not true, though. As a copyright holder, you are allowed to license your work however you wish, even if it's under for example GPL-3.0-or-later or whatever. You can license your code outside of the terms of the GPL to a particular user or group of users for example for payment. Really, it's only when the user agrees to abide by the license that you'd have to give access to source code when asked, for example. > I love FOSS, don't get me wrong. But people should be able to say: I made this, if you want to use it, it's under these condition or I won't share it. And they can. Whether that wins one any friends or not is another matter.

trashb 9mo ago

You can follow him on https://stallman.org/ https://stallman.org/ What is he doing? I believe still giving talks and taking stance on current day political issues. Additionally I believe the last few years where quite turbulent so I assume he is taking life at his own pace.