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And how China compares its 2024 to 2025?
by sebastianconcpt 9mo ago
And how China compares its 2024 to 2025?
- lofties 9mo agoWhat does it matter? Two wrongs don’t make a right. Edit: cursory search shows a flat/falling trend.[0] [0]https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-have-now-been-flat-or-falling-for-18-months/ https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-ha...
- lm28469 9mo agoIf you take life long CO2 emissions they have a fat margin before getting to US levels. And they've manufacturing 75% of the gadgets you buy in the west
- SPICLK2 9mo agoThere's no margin on averting the Climate Catastrophe!
- engineer_22 9mo ago[flagged]
- ceejayoz 9mo agoFor 4x the population, and much of that is while making our stuff. And they aren’t making coal a culture war point or canceling renewables projects for ideological reasons.
- gpderetta 9mo agopro capita?
- Hikikomori 9mo agoOnly Americans deserve high per capita emissions.
- engineer_22 9mo agoYou'll be very interested to know, USA not even in the top 10!
- imjonse 9mo agohttps://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-have-now-been-flat-or-falling-for-18-months/ https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-ha...
- energy123 9mo agoChina and India coal usage dropped for the first time in 52 years[1]. It's also silly to look at anything other than per-capita metrics. If China arbitrarily splits in half or expands, the per-capita metric remains invariant to the historical luck factor behind why national borders are the way they are. [1] https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-coal-power-drops-in-china-and-india-for-first-time-in-52-years-after-clean-energy-records/ https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-coal-power-drops-in-chi...
- joe_mamba 9mo ago>China and India coal usage dropped for the first time in 52 years Isn't it because they're now getting Russian oil and gas at rock bottom prices from western sanctions?
- defrost 9mo agoNo. Re: China, see: [1] which goes into some detail. There's also various IEA energy reports which anticipated a fall for India and China after the fall in every other country (save, apparently the US which is bucking the trend).
- rjtavares 9mo agoNo, it's because of renewables. Share of oil in total energy consumption hasn't increased since the sanctions, while wind and solar have been consistently increasing. Coal is down (again, as a share of total energy consumption). Source: https://ourworldindata.org/profile/energy/china https://ourworldindata.org/profile/energy/china
- wiz21c 9mo agohttps://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-energy-source-sub?country=~CHN https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-energy-source-sub?c... gas (ofss fuel) is increasing a lot... So yeah, there is some renewables, but we're still pretty far from what is needed...
- citrin_ru 9mo ago
- hunglee2 9mo agoUS bad, China good basically. Coal share of energy likely peaked for China in 2025, even as overall energy usage increased - almost all that increase has come from renewables, which China is of course doubling down upon. China is on trend to become an electrostate, USA on trend to regress on energy infrastructure which will power the next 100 hundred years
- engineer_22 9mo agoChina 12 billion tons CO2 and steady, USA 6 billion tons CO2 and falling. US bad, China very bad.
- fpoling 9mo agoChina population is 4 times of US and a lot of CO2 there comes from US outsourcing energy-intensive production.
- enraged_camel 9mo agoClimate doesn't care about population or per capita metrics. The only metric that matters is CO2 PPM.
- ceejayoz 9mo agoSo all China needs to do is split in two to halve their emissions?
- enraged_camel 9mo agoWhat? My point is that people tend to turn emissions into a pissing contest about which country is emitting more, and it always becomes a debate of total emission vs. per capita, because it's ultimately a political issue. What I'm saying is that total emissions are what matter for climate change.
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- FactolSarin 9mo agoWhy do I get the feeling that if the answer is that they're polluting more as well, parent will argue that makes it OK for the US, as if we should be following their lead. But if the answer is they're making progress on lowering emissions, he'll argue the opposite?
- Sharlin 9mo agoChina will almost certainly never reach the cumulative emissions that the US already reached in the 70s.
- tchalla 9mo agoWhy should it be compared 2024 2025 and not 100+ years?
- jedimastert 9mo agoWhy?
- triceratops 9mo ago2.7% lower in 2025 compared to 2024. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292 Not per capita. Absolute. Any other questions?