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>w3m and its friends might fall into oblivion. w3m's marketshare has always been nonexistent. It already has been in oblivion. Having a GUI is key to making a

>w3m and its friends might fall into oblivion. w3m's marketshare has always been nonexistent. It already has been in oblivion. Having a GUI is key to making a good web browser that will be used by people.

rhdunn 10mo ago
Text-based browsers are useful in cases where you don't have access to a graphical display, for example: 1. your graphics driver isn't loading/working; 2. you can't log into the GUI due to a bug in the login screen; 3. you are working on a server that is headless, i.e. doesn't have a GUI installed, or are SSHing into a server/other machine. I've experienced (2) a while ago and more recently there was another issue recently with upgrading breaking a system [1]. I also encountered the latter but was unable to keep the terminal open due to that bug (it kept switching back to the login screen), so I had to boot into a system via a USB stick, chroot into the system, then install the uninstalled desktop package. [1] https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/04/ubuntu-25-04-upgrades-halted-due-to-kubuntu-users-getting-a-broken-desktop/ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/04/ubuntu-25-04-upgrades-...
- charcircuit 10mo ago
  >your graphics driver isn't loading/working This is a bigger problem that should be fixed ASAP. OS vendors should never critically break graphics on a OS like this. >you can't log into the GUI due to a bug in the login screen; Again, the QA department or automated tests of your OS vendor should not let this get released. If such a bug happened there should be a fix rolled out immediately. >you are working on a server that is headless Why do you need to run the browser on the server? I can't think of a case where you would want to use a text browser there instead of a regular browser on your actual machine. >so I had to boot into a system via a USB stick, chroot into the system, then install the uninstalled desktop package. It's disappointing that you had to manually fix it compared to it just downloading a fix automatically like what would happen on Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, etc.
  - anthk 10mo ago
    Third party driver vendors can crap out a graphical login pretty trivially. If your driver messes up DWM.exe it can blow your whole compositing service and draw every window in software mode which is, without exaggerating, 10000x slower than Direct Draw/GDI back in the day. Ever played an old Direct Draw game on Windows 8 and up? It will crawl. The game can only be played with WineD3D, which is basically a Wine build for Windows and it has ddraw.dll hoooked to its own DirectX or OpenGL libraries. This is the only way to get these games running fast again. On software rendering for the whole desktop, the same. A text mode browser (or Dillo, or Links2) can be runable at useable speeds before downloading an updated driver or patch. By the moment you try Chromium or Firefox with no acceleration (even under current machines), when you have to run both DWM.exe, the rendering process and desktop done with software rendering in CPU, it will slow down like hell because on top of that it will run some JS crap in the browser for granted on vendor driver pages. Maybe a current i7 can withstand it, but not for long as browsers love to spawn threads and eat RAM like crazy. Add a 4K display and say goodbye to performance.
  - bloovis 10mo ago
    > Why do you need to run the browser on the server? I can't think of a case where you would want to use a text browser there instead of a regular browser on your actual machine. I've had to do that on my VPS a few times when I was debugging my Apache setup and needed to look at a web page that was only visible on the VPS, i.e., not available to the outside world.
    - Imustaskforhelp 10mo ago
      Honestly I really agree with this use case and I even created a point asking for some browser like this but one which is more capable than even browsh perhaps, I am not sure if text is just the right choice, we need something between text and complete vnc install or debugging instance You can take a look at pinggy.io / tunnl.gg and so many other options where you can just use the standard ssh command to port forward a port for some time and so you can debug it I recommend you to take a look at this as well https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling?tab=readme-ov-file https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling?tab=readme...
- basscomm 10mo ago
  Text-based browsers are also great for just reading hypertext documents. I've been using a combination of a text-based rss reader and web browser to keep up with the sites I care about, and I can tear through my collection of articles pretty quickly

rhdunn 10mo ago

Text-based browsers are useful in cases where you don't have access to a graphical display, for example: 1. your graphics driver isn't loading/working; 2. you can't log into the GUI due to a bug in the login screen; 3. you are working on a server that is headless, i.e. doesn't have a GUI installed, or are SSHing into a server/other machine. I've experienced (2) a while ago and more recently there was another issue recently with upgrading breaking a system [1]. I also encountered the latter but was unable to keep the terminal open due to that bug (it kept switching back to the login screen), so I had to boot into a system via a USB stick, chroot into the system, then install the uninstalled desktop package. [1] https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/04/ubuntu-25-04-upgrades-halted-due-to-kubuntu-users-getting-a-broken-desktop/ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/04/ubuntu-25-04-upgrades-...

charcircuit 10mo ago
>your graphics driver isn't loading/working This is a bigger problem that should be fixed ASAP. OS vendors should never critically break graphics on a OS like this. >you can't log into the GUI due to a bug in the login screen; Again, the QA department or automated tests of your OS vendor should not let this get released. If such a bug happened there should be a fix rolled out immediately. >you are working on a server that is headless Why do you need to run the browser on the server? I can't think of a case where you would want to use a text browser there instead of a regular browser on your actual machine. >so I had to boot into a system via a USB stick, chroot into the system, then install the uninstalled desktop package. It's disappointing that you had to manually fix it compared to it just downloading a fix automatically like what would happen on Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, etc.
- anthk 10mo ago
  Third party driver vendors can crap out a graphical login pretty trivially. If your driver messes up DWM.exe it can blow your whole compositing service and draw every window in software mode which is, without exaggerating, 10000x slower than Direct Draw/GDI back in the day. Ever played an old Direct Draw game on Windows 8 and up? It will crawl. The game can only be played with WineD3D, which is basically a Wine build for Windows and it has ddraw.dll hoooked to its own DirectX or OpenGL libraries. This is the only way to get these games running fast again. On software rendering for the whole desktop, the same. A text mode browser (or Dillo, or Links2) can be runable at useable speeds before downloading an updated driver or patch. By the moment you try Chromium or Firefox with no acceleration (even under current machines), when you have to run both DWM.exe, the rendering process and desktop done with software rendering in CPU, it will slow down like hell because on top of that it will run some JS crap in the browser for granted on vendor driver pages. Maybe a current i7 can withstand it, but not for long as browsers love to spawn threads and eat RAM like crazy. Add a 4K display and say goodbye to performance.
- bloovis 10mo ago
  > Why do you need to run the browser on the server? I can't think of a case where you would want to use a text browser there instead of a regular browser on your actual machine. I've had to do that on my VPS a few times when I was debugging my Apache setup and needed to look at a web page that was only visible on the VPS, i.e., not available to the outside world.
  - Imustaskforhelp 10mo ago
    Honestly I really agree with this use case and I even created a point asking for some browser like this but one which is more capable than even browsh perhaps, I am not sure if text is just the right choice, we need something between text and complete vnc install or debugging instance You can take a look at pinggy.io / tunnl.gg and so many other options where you can just use the standard ssh command to port forward a port for some time and so you can debug it I recommend you to take a look at this as well https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling?tab=readme-ov-file https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling?tab=readme...
basscomm 10mo ago
Text-based browsers are also great for just reading hypertext documents. I've been using a combination of a text-based rss reader and web browser to keep up with the sites I care about, and I can tear through my collection of articles pretty quickly