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Counterpoint: iOS’s biggest competitor is Android. They are now effectively funding their competition on a core product interface. I see this as strategically d

Counterpoint: iOS’s biggest competitor is Android. They are now effectively funding their competition on a core product interface. I see this as strategically devastating.

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compounding_it 9mo ago
Is android really iOSs competition ? I feel like the competition is less android more vendors who use android. Every android phone feels different. Android doesn’t even compete on performance anymore the chips are quite behind. The target audience of the two feels different lately.
- joe_mamba 9mo ago
  >Is android really iOSs competition ? It ISN'T in this day and age. People don't switch back and forth between iOS and Android like it's still 2010. They use whatever they got locken in initially since their first smartphone or where Apple's green/blue-bubble issue pushed them to or what their family handed them down or what their close friend groups used to have. People who've been using iOS for 6+ years will 98% stick to iOS for their next purchase and won't even bother look at Android no matter what features Android were to add. The Android vs iOS war is as dead as the console war. There's no competition anymore, it's just picking one from a duopoly of vendor lock-ins. Even if EU were to break some of the lockins, people have familiarity bias and will stick with inertia of what they're used to, so it will not move the market share needle one bit.
- omnimus 9mo ago
  Of course android is iOSs competition. android is also 75% of the market that apple surely wants bigger piece of. Performance? We are many years past the point somebody cared about performance. I am writing this on iphone 11 pro and the experience is almost exactly the same as current iOS. You know what's not the same? Android became pretty great OS. I recently got older Pixel to see how GrapheneOS works and was surprised about Android (which i havent seen for a decade). iOS on the other hand has recently gone trough with very bad ui redesign for no reason. Imho the main thing Apple has going for it is that Google is spyware company and Apple is still mainly hardware company. But if Apple decides to pull their users data to gemini… well good luck.
postexitus 9mo ago
Counterpoint: Google is paying Apple $20b/year to keep themselves as the default search engine in iOS. Android's biggest competitor is iOS. They are now effectively funding their competition on a core product interface. I see this as strategically devastating.
- espadrine 9mo ago
  Does Apple develop a competing search engine?
willtemperley 9mo ago
It's strategically devastating because no small number of users choose Apple because they do not trust Google and now they have no choice but to have Google AI on-board their machines. I respect Google's engineering, and I'm aware that fundamental technologies such as Protocol Buffers and FlatBuffers are unavoidably integrated into the software fabric, but this is is avoidable. I'm surprised Google aren't paying Apple for this.
- lostlogin 9mo ago
  Siri > off is my default. Presumably I could still do this?
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  - willtemperley 9mo ago
    Yes but I may want to use Apple intelligence and now I have to use Google intelligence instead. This is not the product I paid thousands of dollars for. Second I'm developing privacy focused apps that were going to use foundation models. Now I need to seriously reconsider this.
  - walthamstow 9mo ago
    Just don't update your phone, they'll probably switch it on without asking like they do for Apple Intelligence. Or use Carplay, for which Siri is required.
- jedimastert 9mo ago
  > no small number of users choose Apple because they do not trust Google Unfortunately, it probably actually is a small number comparatively. Or at least I would need to see some sort of real data to say anything different. I feel like people who distrust Google probably wouldn't trust Apple enough to give them their data either? Why would you distrust one but not the other?
  - 9mo ago

Counterpoint: iOS’s biggest competitor is Android. They are now effectively funding their competition on a core product interface. I see this as strategically devastating.

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compounding_it 9mo ago

Is android really iOSs competition ? I feel like the competition is less android more vendors who use android. Every android phone feels different. Android doesn’t even compete on performance anymore the chips are quite behind. The target audience of the two feels different lately.

joe_mamba 9mo ago
>Is android really iOSs competition ? It ISN'T in this day and age. People don't switch back and forth between iOS and Android like it's still 2010. They use whatever they got locken in initially since their first smartphone or where Apple's green/blue-bubble issue pushed them to or what their family handed them down or what their close friend groups used to have. People who've been using iOS for 6+ years will 98% stick to iOS for their next purchase and won't even bother look at Android no matter what features Android were to add. The Android vs iOS war is as dead as the console war. There's no competition anymore, it's just picking one from a duopoly of vendor lock-ins. Even if EU were to break some of the lockins, people have familiarity bias and will stick with inertia of what they're used to, so it will not move the market share needle one bit.
omnimus 9mo ago
Of course android is iOSs competition. android is also 75% of the market that apple surely wants bigger piece of. Performance? We are many years past the point somebody cared about performance. I am writing this on iphone 11 pro and the experience is almost exactly the same as current iOS. You know what's not the same? Android became pretty great OS. I recently got older Pixel to see how GrapheneOS works and was surprised about Android (which i havent seen for a decade). iOS on the other hand has recently gone trough with very bad ui redesign for no reason. Imho the main thing Apple has going for it is that Google is spyware company and Apple is still mainly hardware company. But if Apple decides to pull their users data to gemini… well good luck.

postexitus 9mo ago

Counterpoint: Google is paying Apple $20b/year to keep themselves as the default search engine in iOS. Android's biggest competitor is iOS. They are now effectively funding their competition on a core product interface. I see this as strategically devastating.

espadrine 9mo ago
Does Apple develop a competing search engine?

willtemperley 9mo ago

It's strategically devastating because no small number of users choose Apple because they do not trust Google and now they have no choice but to have Google AI on-board their machines. I respect Google's engineering, and I'm aware that fundamental technologies such as Protocol Buffers and FlatBuffers are unavoidably integrated into the software fabric, but this is is avoidable. I'm surprised Google aren't paying Apple for this.

lostlogin 9mo ago
Siri > off is my default. Presumably I could still do this?
- deleted 9mo ago
  [deleted]
- willtemperley 9mo ago
  Yes but I may want to use Apple intelligence and now I have to use Google intelligence instead. This is not the product I paid thousands of dollars for. Second I'm developing privacy focused apps that were going to use foundation models. Now I need to seriously reconsider this.
- walthamstow 9mo ago
  Just don't update your phone, they'll probably switch it on without asking like they do for Apple Intelligence. Or use Carplay, for which Siri is required.
jedimastert 9mo ago
> no small number of users choose Apple because they do not trust Google Unfortunately, it probably actually is a small number comparatively. Or at least I would need to see some sort of real data to say anything different. I feel like people who distrust Google probably wouldn't trust Apple enough to give them their data either? Why would you distrust one but not the other?
- 9mo ago