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There's a difference between a doctor (an expert in their field) using AI (specialising in medicine) and you (a lay person) using it to diagnose and treat yours

There's a difference between a doctor (an expert in their field) using AI (specialising in medicine) and you (a lay person) using it to diagnose and treat yourself. In the US, it takes at least 10 years of studying (and interning) to become a doctor.

vharish 9mo ago
Even so, it's rather common for doctors to not be albe to diagonise correctly. It's a guessing game for them too. I don't know so much about US but it's a real problem in large parts of the world. As the comment stated, I would take anything a doctor says with a pinch of salt. Particularly so when the problem is not obvious.
- danaris 9mo ago
  These things are not equivalent. This is really not that far off from the argument that "well, people make mistakes a lot, too, so really, LLMs are just like people, and they're probably conscious too!" Yes, doctors make mistakes. Yes, some doctors make a lot of mistakes. Yes, some patients get misdiagnosed a bunch (because they have something unusual, or because they are a member of a group—like women, people of color, overweight people, or some combination—that American doctors have a tendency to disbelieve). None of that means that it's a good idea to replace those human doctors with LLMs that can make up brand-new diseases that don't exist occasionally.
schiffern 9mo ago
Why stop at AI? By that same logic, we should ban non-doctors from being allowed to Google anything medical.
- thisislife2 9mo ago
  Nobody can (and should) stop you from learning and educating yourself. It however doesn't mean just because you can use Google or use AI, you think you can become a doctor: - Bihar teen dies after ‘fake doctor’ conducts surgery using YouTube tutorial: Report - https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bihar-teen-dies-after-fake-doctor-conducts-surgery-using-youtube-tutorial-report-101725777594841.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bihar-teen-dies-af... - Surgery performed while watching YouTube video leaves woman dead - https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/uttar-pradesh/surgery-performed-while-watching-youtube-video-leaves-woman-dead-quack-nephew-booked/ https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/uttar-pradesh/surgery-perf... - Woman dies after quack delivers her baby while watching YouTube videos - https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/bihar/in-bihar-woman-dies-after-quack-delivers-her-baby-while-watching-youtube-videos/article70495027.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/bihar/in-bihar-woman-... Educating a user about their illness and treatment is a legitimate use case for AI, but acting on its advise to treat yourself or self-medicate would be plain stupidity. (Thankfully, self-medicating isn't as easy because most medication require a prescription. However, so called "alternate" medicines are often a grey area, even with regulations (for example, in India).
menaerus 9mo ago
It takes 10 years of hard work to become a profound engineer too yet it doesn't prohibit us missing the things. That argument cannot hold. AI is already wide-spread in medical treatment.
- thisislife2 9mo ago
  An engineer is not a doctor, nor a doctor an engineer. Yes, AI is being used in medicines - as a tool for the professional - and that's the right use for it. Helping a radiologist read an X-Ray, MRI scan or CT Scan, helping a doctor create an effective treatment plan, warning a pharmacologist about unsafe combinations (dangerous drug interactions) when different medications are prescribed etc are all areas where an AI can make the job of a professional easier and better, and also help create better AI.
  - menaerus 9mo ago
    And where did I claim otherwise? You're not disagreeing with me but only reinforcing my point
- TitaRusell 9mo ago
  When a doctor gets it wrong they end up in a courtroom, lose their job and the respect of their peers. Nobody at Google gives a flying fuck.
  - whatevaa 9mo ago
    Not really, these are exceptionaly cases. For most of misdiagnoses or failure to diagnose at all, nothing happens to the doctor.

vharish 9mo ago

Even so, it's rather common for doctors to not be albe to diagonise correctly. It's a guessing game for them too. I don't know so much about US but it's a real problem in large parts of the world. As the comment stated, I would take anything a doctor says with a pinch of salt. Particularly so when the problem is not obvious.

danaris 9mo ago
These things are not equivalent. This is really not that far off from the argument that "well, people make mistakes a lot, too, so really, LLMs are just like people, and they're probably conscious too!" Yes, doctors make mistakes. Yes, some doctors make a lot of mistakes. Yes, some patients get misdiagnosed a bunch (because they have something unusual, or because they are a member of a group—like women, people of color, overweight people, or some combination—that American doctors have a tendency to disbelieve). None of that means that it's a good idea to replace those human doctors with LLMs that can make up brand-new diseases that don't exist occasionally.

schiffern 9mo ago

Why stop at AI? By that same logic, we should ban non-doctors from being allowed to Google anything medical.

thisislife2 9mo ago
Nobody can (and should) stop you from learning and educating yourself. It however doesn't mean just because you can use Google or use AI, you think you can become a doctor: - Bihar teen dies after ‘fake doctor’ conducts surgery using YouTube tutorial: Report - https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bihar-teen-dies-after-fake-doctor-conducts-surgery-using-youtube-tutorial-report-101725777594841.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bihar-teen-dies-af... - Surgery performed while watching YouTube video leaves woman dead - https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/uttar-pradesh/surgery-performed-while-watching-youtube-video-leaves-woman-dead-quack-nephew-booked/ https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/uttar-pradesh/surgery-perf... - Woman dies after quack delivers her baby while watching YouTube videos - https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/bihar/in-bihar-woman-dies-after-quack-delivers-her-baby-while-watching-youtube-videos/article70495027.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/bihar/in-bihar-woman-... Educating a user about their illness and treatment is a legitimate use case for AI, but acting on its advise to treat yourself or self-medicate would be plain stupidity. (Thankfully, self-medicating isn't as easy because most medication require a prescription. However, so called "alternate" medicines are often a grey area, even with regulations (for example, in India).

menaerus 9mo ago

It takes 10 years of hard work to become a profound engineer too yet it doesn't prohibit us missing the things. That argument cannot hold. AI is already wide-spread in medical treatment.

thisislife2 9mo ago
An engineer is not a doctor, nor a doctor an engineer. Yes, AI is being used in medicines - as a tool for the professional - and that's the right use for it. Helping a radiologist read an X-Ray, MRI scan or CT Scan, helping a doctor create an effective treatment plan, warning a pharmacologist about unsafe combinations (dangerous drug interactions) when different medications are prescribed etc are all areas where an AI can make the job of a professional easier and better, and also help create better AI.
- menaerus 9mo ago
  And where did I claim otherwise? You're not disagreeing with me but only reinforcing my point
TitaRusell 9mo ago
When a doctor gets it wrong they end up in a courtroom, lose their job and the respect of their peers. Nobody at Google gives a flying fuck.
- whatevaa 9mo ago
  Not really, these are exceptionaly cases. For most of misdiagnoses or failure to diagnose at all, nothing happens to the doctor.