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Airlines shouldn't have reclining seats, it's bad design. Blaming people for the bad design is stupid. I never recline and still blame it on the design. Stupid
by vasco 10mo ago
Airlines shouldn't have reclining seats, it's bad design. Blaming people for the bad design is stupid. I never recline and still blame it on the design. Stupid people exist, you should design for that.
- nostromo 10mo agoI think reclining is appropriate at night only. If it were up to me, they would be locked upright during the day.
- DaanDL 10mo agoNight or day is a vague concept on an 11 hour flight
- baxtr 10mo agoIt wouldn't surprise me if Ryanair had reclining seats that reclined only if you paid for it.
- foota 10mo ago"Your neighbor is trying to recline, outbid them to stop them..."
- darkwater 10mo agoDon't give them ideas!
- rrr_oh_man 10mo agoOne verification can to you, sir, for this chuckle.
- foota 10mo agoThank you sir for the one shiny object.
- rsynnott 10mo agoRyanair doesn't have reclining seats at all.
- iainmerrick 10mo agoI think the secret of Ryanair is that their goal is actually to make their turnarounds as fast and efficient as possible, not explicitly to make money by adding a fee for every little aspect of the service. If anything can possibly slow down flight boarding, disembarking or cleanup, they'll first try to remove it completely, and only if people object too much will they reluctantly offer it with a fee. Pocket on the seat back -> most people don't use on short flights -> get rid of them. Luggage -> most people need this, but not everyone -> charge a fee. Reclining seat -> most people don't use on short flights -> get rid of them. They do sell drinks and duty free; that's an interesting one. I guess once the flight is airborne, the flight attendants aren't really doing anything else (from management's perspective) so they might as well sell stuff. Plus the trolley blocking the aisle stops passengers from moving around, which they probably see as a big advantage. I think this even applies to the ridiculous penalty fees they charge for e.g. trying to check in at the airport rather than doing it beforehand on the app. It feels like they're just trying to rip you off, but I suspect they see it more as a "nudge" to make people check in online, because that streamlines their airport process. I got a little bit less annoyed by them when I realised this. Sure, it's still uncomfortable and sometimes infuriating, but it's all with the aim of an efficient and reliable service, and they're way better than average at that.
- baxtr 10mo agoGreat analysis and insight! Thanks for sharing
- short_sells_poo 10mo agoI never thought of it this way, but now it's clear. I found that once I tack on luggage, a seat with more space, etc.. they become more expensive than traditional airlines with the same package. In other words, their business model really seems to be to cater to the "least hassle" passengers who travel light and don't need any extras.
- varjag 10mo ago> It feels like they're just trying to rip you off, but I suspect they see it more as a "nudge" to make people check in online, because that streamlines their airport process. I believe the airline pays the airport for every check in and luggage handling transaction. They are just cutting costs.
- lostlogin 10mo agoShhh. BMW might hear.
- CalRobert 10mo agoFlights from sfo to Frankfurt bolt upright sound unpleasant… Not to mention that when my wife was pregnant she could barely manage her back pain -with- the recline, never mind without. The recline button is there for your use. You are welcome to avail of it yourself.
- close04 10mo ago> Flights from sfo to Frankfurt bolt upright sound unpleasant Same flight with someone's seat resting on your knees is downright painful. > when my wife was pregnant Imagine if she was a bit taller and someone reclined the seat all the way over her. > The recline button is there for your use You're right, like any shared resource, "space" is there for you to use. It doesn't mean you have to use it, you could try to be aware of your surroundings and assess whether your small comfort should come at the cost of someone else's extreme discomfort. And if you use the button others are also free, and probably correct, to call you a dick. Like a guy who empties the bowl of complimentary candy someone offers to all customers. You shouldn't need physical blocks or laws to define your own common sense and decency.
- CalRobert 10mo agoSo why is the recline button there?
- close04 10mo agoMainly because they were introduced when the seats were set farther apart. Now companies squeeze more rows and keep the same seats. But also because with any shared resource there's an expectation of decency involved. Some people just betray that expectation. They're the ones with the mentality that "they shouldn't have served alcohol if they didn't want me to get insufferably drunk", "they shouldn't have put the candy out if they didn't want me to take all of it", "why is the swing there in the park if not for my kids to use them continuously to the disappointment of other kids". When your wife was pregnant someone probably let her go ahead in a queue, have her some priority for something, etc. That was a person with common sense and decency, not asking "why do queues exist", who doesn't do something only if there's a law about it.
- rsynnott 10mo agoThis is one thing I like about Ryanair; they don't.
- sp8 10mo agoSorry for an empty response but this, 100% this. As a person who is WELL over 6' tall, the very idea that the person in front of me might recline is enough to give me significant anxiety throughout a flight. I once saw a design for seats where the base slides forward if you want to recline - the idea being, if you're going to recline you're going to do so into your own space, not the person behind you. I'd be a big advocate of that change in seat design...
- Ajedi32 10mo agoI'm also over 6' and I don't understand the problem? The seats only recline a few degrees, it's not like they're laying on my lap! Even fully reclined there's plenty of space in front of my face, and leg room is barely impacted at all. (Like probably an inch max?) Granted, I've only flown American and Delta, maybe other airlines are worse in this respect?
- kaffekaka 10mo ago6ft plus too, I agree with GP, definitely a problem for me when the seat in front reclines. My legs are proportionately longer than my upper body which increases the negative effect.
- Ajedi32 10mo agoWhy does leg length matter? Reclining doesn't impact leg room much since only the upper part of the seat is moving backwards any significant distance, and the space under the seat where my feet go is completely unaffected. Are your legs so long you have to sit with your knees pressed against the back of the seat in front of you or something? If so I suppose that's understandable.
- kaffekaka 10mo agoYes, my knees often/always bump into the seat in front of me, even without it being reclined. If/when it is reclined it means my knees are pressed harder backwards. When I can, I pay for extra leg room or get an aisle seat. My opinion is strongly that seats should not be reclined. It is inconsiderate.
- 123pie123 10mo agoin reality there should be a legal minimum leg room that's based on the distance of the flight the recline feature should be baked in to this as well
- dec0dedab0de 10mo agoI think that they should just make reclining mandatory