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You can't start at the point where ICE had already needlessly and unlawfully performed multiple escalations. You have to look at the entire situation, where tho

You can't start at the point where ICE had already needlessly and unlawfully performed multiple escalations. You have to look at the entire situation, where those escalations were clear retaliation for the victim exercising her Constitutionally-protected right to protest. The officer "in front" of the car had previously fucked around and found out about moving vehicles. He was positioned just off the quarter panel, which we can only assume was highly deliberate after the last incident - enough room to not get hit, but close enough to have a pretext to murder this woman. Regardless of how courts may judge legality (if they're even allowed to), this incident demonstrates a callous disregard for human life that is unacceptable for anybody who carries a gun, never mind supposed public servants.

zahlman 10mo ago
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- mindslight 10mo ago
  She was not blocking traffic. Video of the street shows vehicles (including some that appear to be ICE) going by her just fine prior to the escalation, like regular city traffic with someone doing something weird. > And definitionally, it is only "murder" if a court finds it to be so through a correct application of the law Man, do you "people" all get your talking points from the same septic tank or what? You don't get to tone police the use of the word murder by saying we must only ever use one narrow legal definition. This whole situation has been debated to death, and I'm not going to respond to your shotgun blast of FUD line by line. Put simply, needlessly escalating situations so they're likely to result in death and mayhem is not the behavior we expect from real law enforcement officers - regardless of what their suspect may have done. In a society based around individual liberty and limited government, why you would chose to empathize with government agents rather than your own fellow citizen is beyond me. But my only real question is how many more Americans need to be killed before you admit that maybe us critics have a point?
  - fzeroracer 10mo ago
    > But my only real question is how many more Americans need to be killed before you admit that maybe us critics have a point? Unfortunately, they will never admit this, because either they believe every action by ICE is justified or they're straight up an agent of the government. It doesn't matter if you show them videos of ICE agents hitting protesters with their car and doing the exact thing they demonize [1], or if they walk up and assault people for using their first amendment rights [2], or if they spray people point blank with pepper spray [3] or if they ram people through red lights [4] or if they knee people in the face repeatedly when they're complying [5] or if they shove someone onto oncoming traffic and almost get them killed by a bus [6] or walking up to people and asking 'papers, please' [7]. They will conveniently disengage or shift the argument away. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Watch/comments/1pjye82/ice_agents_in_minneapolis_mn_hit_a_community/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Watch/comments/1pjye82/ice_agen... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb564f/minneapolis_bovino_leads_the_charge_on_protesters/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb564f/minnea... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb88n3/ice_agent_in_minneapolis_point_blank_pepper/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb88n3/ice_ag... [4] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qaw2e9/ice_in_minneapolis_ramming_civilian_cars_through/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qaw2e9/ice_in... [5] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9p1dp/man_kneed_in_face_by_ice/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9p1dp/man_kn... [6] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9xczh/ice_pushes_man_into_oncoming_traffic/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9xczh/ice_pu... [7] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhB7g7LU0Wc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhB7g7LU0Wc
  - zahlman 10mo ago
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    - ratrace 10mo ago
      > I do not understand why my comments are flagged. Entertaining the idea that they could be wrong goes against their principles.

zahlman 10mo ago

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mindslight 10mo ago
She was not blocking traffic. Video of the street shows vehicles (including some that appear to be ICE) going by her just fine prior to the escalation, like regular city traffic with someone doing something weird. > And definitionally, it is only "murder" if a court finds it to be so through a correct application of the law Man, do you "people" all get your talking points from the same septic tank or what? You don't get to tone police the use of the word murder by saying we must only ever use one narrow legal definition. This whole situation has been debated to death, and I'm not going to respond to your shotgun blast of FUD line by line. Put simply, needlessly escalating situations so they're likely to result in death and mayhem is not the behavior we expect from real law enforcement officers - regardless of what their suspect may have done. In a society based around individual liberty and limited government, why you would chose to empathize with government agents rather than your own fellow citizen is beyond me. But my only real question is how many more Americans need to be killed before you admit that maybe us critics have a point?
- fzeroracer 10mo ago
  > But my only real question is how many more Americans need to be killed before you admit that maybe us critics have a point? Unfortunately, they will never admit this, because either they believe every action by ICE is justified or they're straight up an agent of the government. It doesn't matter if you show them videos of ICE agents hitting protesters with their car and doing the exact thing they demonize [1], or if they walk up and assault people for using their first amendment rights [2], or if they spray people point blank with pepper spray [3] or if they ram people through red lights [4] or if they knee people in the face repeatedly when they're complying [5] or if they shove someone onto oncoming traffic and almost get them killed by a bus [6] or walking up to people and asking 'papers, please' [7]. They will conveniently disengage or shift the argument away. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Watch/comments/1pjye82/ice_agents_in_minneapolis_mn_hit_a_community/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Watch/comments/1pjye82/ice_agen... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb564f/minneapolis_bovino_leads_the_charge_on_protesters/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb564f/minnea... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb88n3/ice_agent_in_minneapolis_point_blank_pepper/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qb88n3/ice_ag... [4] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qaw2e9/ice_in_minneapolis_ramming_civilian_cars_through/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qaw2e9/ice_in... [5] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9p1dp/man_kneed_in_face_by_ice/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9p1dp/man_kn... [6] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9xczh/ice_pushes_man_into_oncoming_traffic/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9xczh/ice_pu... [7] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhB7g7LU0Wc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhB7g7LU0Wc
- zahlman 10mo ago
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  - ratrace 10mo ago
    > I do not understand why my comments are flagged. Entertaining the idea that they could be wrong goes against their principles.