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I am a car enthusiast so don't think I'm off the deep end here, but I would definitely argue that people love their cars as a tool to work in the society we bui

by ehnto 9mo ago

I am a car enthusiast so don't think I'm off the deep end here, but I would definitely argue that people love their cars as a tool to work in the society we built with cars in mind. Most people aren't car enthusiasts, they're just driving to get to work, and if they could get to work for a $1 fare in 20 minutes on a clean, safe train they would probably do that instead.

jakeydus 9mo ago
I am this person. I love the convenience of a car. I hate car ownership.
lijok 9mo ago
Right and I assume we will have BO police at the gates to these trains? People love their cars not because they’re enthusiasts
- Drakim 9mo ago
  That seems like a somewhat ridiculous objection. Should everybody start owning their own private planes to avoid people with BO at airplanes?
  - lijok 9mo ago
    No, but if they could, they would. That’s what’s being debated here. Whether people would, not should.
    - Drakim 9mo ago
      Should we restructure society so that having a private airplane is easier and cheaper, but if you don't have one you'll have serious trouble in daily life?
      - lijok 9mo ago
        No
    - djhn 9mo ago
      Is this some culture or region or climate related thing? I’ve never heard of BO brought up as a reason to avoid public transport or flying commercial in northern parts of Europe. Nor have I experienced any olfactory disturbance, apart from the occasional young man or woman going a tad overboard with perfume on the weekends.
    - ehnto 9mo ago
      Of course they wouldn't, owning and operating a plane is -incredibly- inconvenient. That's what we are discussing, tradeoffs of convenience and discomfort, you can't just completely ignore one reality to criticise the other (admiting some hypocrisy here since that ideal train system mentioned earlier only exists in a few cities).
- ehnto 9mo ago
  I guess that's one reason to not use public transport, but it seems many cities overcome that pretty readily. Perhaps it depends on how smelly your society is. Anyway I think we are in agreement, given a good system and a good society trains become quite attractive, otherwise cars are more preferred.

by ehnto 9mo ago

jakeydus 9mo ago

I am this person. I love the convenience of a car. I hate car ownership.

lijok 9mo ago

Right and I assume we will have BO police at the gates to these trains? People love their cars not because they’re enthusiasts

Drakim 9mo ago
That seems like a somewhat ridiculous objection. Should everybody start owning their own private planes to avoid people with BO at airplanes?
- lijok 9mo ago
  No, but if they could, they would. That’s what’s being debated here. Whether people would, not should.
  - Drakim 9mo ago
    Should we restructure society so that having a private airplane is easier and cheaper, but if you don't have one you'll have serious trouble in daily life?
    - lijok 9mo ago
      No
  - djhn 9mo ago
    Is this some culture or region or climate related thing? I’ve never heard of BO brought up as a reason to avoid public transport or flying commercial in northern parts of Europe. Nor have I experienced any olfactory disturbance, apart from the occasional young man or woman going a tad overboard with perfume on the weekends.
  - ehnto 9mo ago
    Of course they wouldn't, owning and operating a plane is -incredibly- inconvenient. That's what we are discussing, tradeoffs of convenience and discomfort, you can't just completely ignore one reality to criticise the other (admiting some hypocrisy here since that ideal train system mentioned earlier only exists in a few cities).
ehnto 9mo ago
I guess that's one reason to not use public transport, but it seems many cities overcome that pretty readily. Perhaps it depends on how smelly your society is. Anyway I think we are in agreement, given a good system and a good society trains become quite attractive, otherwise cars are more preferred.