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Source? From the latest report I’ve found I see 70% oppose the current regime. https://gamaan.org/2025/08/20/analytical-report-on-iranians-political-preference

Source? From the latest report I’ve found I see 70% oppose the current regime. https://gamaan.org/2025/08/20/analytical-report-on-iranians-political-preferences-in-2024/ https://gamaan.org/2025/08/20/analytical-report-on-iranians-...

ebbi 9mo ago
The nuance here is that most Iranians favor regime change, but majority of them don't want it to come via US/Israel-led change.
- tptacek 9mo ago
  You've said this several times on different threads today. You're smuggling in a premise nobody else was discussing. The protest movement is huge. It is not "US/Israel-led". We don't even reach the question of whether the "majority wants US/Israel"; I'm sure they don't!
  - ebbi 9mo ago
    > smuggling in Your response seems to elicit you have some pre-informed opinions on this that my comment has irritated you. I'm not smuggling anything. I'm making a comment on an open forum. > The protest movement is huge Source? How big is it? What % of the Iranian population is protesting? > It is not "US/Israel-led" Source? We have reports to the contrary, and given the amount US and Israeli politicians are leaning in to the protests, notwithstanding their constant talking points on escalating things with Iran, it's not beyond reasonableness to suggest there is outside influence. I was merely providing a talking point, as the general theme in the West is that US forcing a regime change is a good thing. I'm merely reiterating that it is not (based on historical regime changes the US has been involved in), and that there is good reason to believe majority of Iranians don't want a regime change if it's US-led and not a real democratic outcome.
    - tptacek 9mo ago
      Again: it's a protest movement, not an Israeli invasion. Your last sentence continues the premise that there's a live question about "US-led regime change". No there isn't. It would be one thing if you were arguing that it was, and presenting evidence. But this is just innuendo.
      - ebbi 9mo ago
        Where did I state it was an Israeli invasion? Also, source on the 'massive protest'? Present the evidence.
        tptacek 9mo ago
        Are you really trying to trutherize the protests themselves? We believe our lying eyes. This is a deeply buried thread nobody is reading anymore. I don't think there's anyone here to convince but me.
        ebbi 9mo ago
        I asked for evidence, and you can't even provide it. Hold yourself to the same standards you expect of others.
        tptacek 9mo ago
        You're right, I'm not going to provide you evidence for this, my claim is that there's no need for me to do so, any more than I need to provide evidence that the sun rose this morning. Again: there's nobody here but me and you at this point, so there are no points to score. It would be totally reasonable for you to break off this thread at this point (I normally would too), but if you want someone to talk to that isn't susceptible to wishcasting in either direction on this news event, I'm here for you.
        ebbi 9mo ago
        I won't continue, but it's great you clearly highlight your hypocrisy, and proves my thoughts on how people in the West get so easily led by their governments and media. "no need for me to do so" or because you just can't? I'm not waiting for an answer. Just ask yourself that. Because at the moment, your methodology doesn't seem to be truth seeking.
dyauspitr 9mo ago
This site also reported that the majority of Iranians are atheist. Its methods have been questioned before.
- pazimzadeh 9mo ago
  what makes you think they aren't?

ebbi 9mo ago

The nuance here is that most Iranians favor regime change, but majority of them don't want it to come via US/Israel-led change.

tptacek 9mo ago
You've said this several times on different threads today. You're smuggling in a premise nobody else was discussing. The protest movement is huge. It is not "US/Israel-led". We don't even reach the question of whether the "majority wants US/Israel"; I'm sure they don't!
- ebbi 9mo ago
  > smuggling in Your response seems to elicit you have some pre-informed opinions on this that my comment has irritated you. I'm not smuggling anything. I'm making a comment on an open forum. > The protest movement is huge Source? How big is it? What % of the Iranian population is protesting? > It is not "US/Israel-led" Source? We have reports to the contrary, and given the amount US and Israeli politicians are leaning in to the protests, notwithstanding their constant talking points on escalating things with Iran, it's not beyond reasonableness to suggest there is outside influence. I was merely providing a talking point, as the general theme in the West is that US forcing a regime change is a good thing. I'm merely reiterating that it is not (based on historical regime changes the US has been involved in), and that there is good reason to believe majority of Iranians don't want a regime change if it's US-led and not a real democratic outcome.
  - tptacek 9mo ago
    Again: it's a protest movement, not an Israeli invasion. Your last sentence continues the premise that there's a live question about "US-led regime change". No there isn't. It would be one thing if you were arguing that it was, and presenting evidence. But this is just innuendo.
    - ebbi 9mo ago
      Where did I state it was an Israeli invasion? Also, source on the 'massive protest'? Present the evidence.
      - tptacek 9mo ago
        Are you really trying to trutherize the protests themselves? We believe our lying eyes. This is a deeply buried thread nobody is reading anymore. I don't think there's anyone here to convince but me.
        ebbi 9mo ago
        I asked for evidence, and you can't even provide it. Hold yourself to the same standards you expect of others.
        tptacek 9mo ago
        You're right, I'm not going to provide you evidence for this, my claim is that there's no need for me to do so, any more than I need to provide evidence that the sun rose this morning. Again: there's nobody here but me and you at this point, so there are no points to score. It would be totally reasonable for you to break off this thread at this point (I normally would too), but if you want someone to talk to that isn't susceptible to wishcasting in either direction on this news event, I'm here for you.
        ebbi 9mo ago
        I won't continue, but it's great you clearly highlight your hypocrisy, and proves my thoughts on how people in the West get so easily led by their governments and media. "no need for me to do so" or because you just can't? I'm not waiting for an answer. Just ask yourself that. Because at the moment, your methodology doesn't seem to be truth seeking.

dyauspitr 9mo ago

This site also reported that the majority of Iranians are atheist. Its methods have been questioned before.

pazimzadeh 9mo ago
what makes you think they aren't?