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> If he's only operating on the impact of the words.. > Which is, ironically, a reason to oppose absolute freedom of speech... Since the former theory of mind

by parineum 10mo ago

> If he's only operating on the impact of the words.. > Which is, ironically, a reason to oppose absolute freedom of speech... Since the former theory of mind can't explain the latter behavior, I guess it's wrong then, right?

ben_w 10mo ago
Please elaborate, especially note that people on the internet loudly disagree if Musk's behaviour is supporting or suppressing freedom of expression and I have no way to guess what your position is without spending a lot of time diving into your comment history (a superficial glance didn't disambiguate).
- parineum 10mo ago
  You went along with the theory of the poster and then presented evidence against it as ironic rather than evidence against. "I have a theory that Musk always wears green because he loves money. It's ironic that he wore red that one time."
  - ben_w 10mo ago
    Y'see, this is why I asked you note that people disagree if Musk's behaviour is supporting or suppressing freedom of expression. First: Musk says he is a "free speech absolutist", his behaviour is incongruent with what he says, he does in fact ban people (and file lawsuits, and fire people) for expression of things not forbidden by law. Second: Your second quotation of my words, these words: > Which is, ironically, a reason to oppose absolute freedom of speech... With these words I am not saying anything about if Musk does or does not support free speech (that's an independent statement which I also believe yields "does not"), I'm saying that the existence of people who operate on the basis of words having power beyond their connection to reality is a reason for any random person or group of people to have limits on free speech, and that my reasons why are summarised by the words after the end of your quotation: the justifications (for absolute freedom of expression) fall short (when such people operate). Has Musk developed a more nuanced understanding of freedom of expression since claiming to be a "free speech absolutist"? If he has, he's evil rather than simply a hypocrite. But I don't care which.

ben_w 10mo ago

Please elaborate, especially note that people on the internet loudly disagree if Musk's behaviour is supporting or suppressing freedom of expression and I have no way to guess what your position is without spending a lot of time diving into your comment history (a superficial glance didn't disambiguate).

parineum 10mo ago
You went along with the theory of the poster and then presented evidence against it as ironic rather than evidence against. "I have a theory that Musk always wears green because he loves money. It's ironic that he wore red that one time."
- ben_w 10mo ago
  Y'see, this is why I asked you note that people disagree if Musk's behaviour is supporting or suppressing freedom of expression. First: Musk says he is a "free speech absolutist", his behaviour is incongruent with what he says, he does in fact ban people (and file lawsuits, and fire people) for expression of things not forbidden by law. Second: Your second quotation of my words, these words: > Which is, ironically, a reason to oppose absolute freedom of speech... With these words I am not saying anything about if Musk does or does not support free speech (that's an independent statement which I also believe yields "does not"), I'm saying that the existence of people who operate on the basis of words having power beyond their connection to reality is a reason for any random person or group of people to have limits on free speech, and that my reasons why are summarised by the words after the end of your quotation: the justifications (for absolute freedom of expression) fall short (when such people operate). Has Musk developed a more nuanced understanding of freedom of expression since claiming to be a "free speech absolutist"? If he has, he's evil rather than simply a hypocrite. But I don't care which.