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No, of course not. Well.. apart from their API. That is a useful thing. But you're missing the point. It is doing all this stuff with user consent, yes. It's j

by hypfer 9mo ago

No, of course not. Well.. apart from their API. That is a useful thing. But you're missing the point. It is doing all this stuff with user consent, yes. It's just that the user fundamentally cannot provide informed consent as they seem to be out of their minds. So yeah, technically, all those compliance checkboxes are ticked. That's just entirely irrelevant to the point I am making.

Wowfunhappy 9mo ago
> It's just that the user fundamentally cannot provide informed consent The user is an adult. They are capable of consenting to whatever they want, no matter how irrational it may look to you.
- hypfer 9mo ago
  Uh, yes? What does that refute?
  - Wowfunhappy 9mo ago
    You just said the user is incapable of providing informed consent. In any context, I really dislike software that prevents me from doing something dangerous in order to "protect" me. That's how we get iOS. The user is an adult, they can consent to this if they want to. If Anthropic is using dark patterns to trick them that's a different story--that wouldn't be informed consent--but I don't think that's happening here?
    - hypfer 9mo ago
      This is not about if people should be allowed to harm themselves though. Legally, yes. Yes, everyone can do that. The question though is if that is a good thing. Do we just want to look away when large orgs benefit from people not realizing that they're doing self-harm? Do we want to ignore the larger societal implications of this? If you want to delete your rootfs, be my guest. I just won't be cheering for a corp that tells you that you're brilliant and absolutely right for doing so. I believe it's a bad thing to frame this as a conflict between individual freedom and protecting the weak(est) parts of society. I don't think that anything good can come out of seeing the world that way.
      - sethammons 9mo ago
        No single rain drop feels it is to be blamed for the flood.

by hypfer 9mo ago

Wowfunhappy 9mo ago

> It's just that the user fundamentally cannot provide informed consent The user is an adult. They are capable of consenting to whatever they want, no matter how irrational it may look to you.

hypfer 9mo ago
Uh, yes? What does that refute?
- Wowfunhappy 9mo ago
  You just said the user is incapable of providing informed consent. In any context, I really dislike software that prevents me from doing something dangerous in order to "protect" me. That's how we get iOS. The user is an adult, they can consent to this if they want to. If Anthropic is using dark patterns to trick them that's a different story--that wouldn't be informed consent--but I don't think that's happening here?
  - hypfer 9mo ago
    This is not about if people should be allowed to harm themselves though. Legally, yes. Yes, everyone can do that. The question though is if that is a good thing. Do we just want to look away when large orgs benefit from people not realizing that they're doing self-harm? Do we want to ignore the larger societal implications of this? If you want to delete your rootfs, be my guest. I just won't be cheering for a corp that tells you that you're brilliant and absolutely right for doing so. I believe it's a bad thing to frame this as a conflict between individual freedom and protecting the weak(est) parts of society. I don't think that anything good can come out of seeing the world that way.
    - sethammons 9mo ago
      No single rain drop feels it is to be blamed for the flood.