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>CSAM is already banned pretty much everywhere, and making money off it certainly is, but somehow Musk is getting away with distributing it at a massive scale.

>CSAM is already banned pretty much everywhere, and making money off it certainly is, but somehow Musk is getting away with distributing it at a massive scale. Is it because it's fake? It's because law is slow and right now the US government is completely stalled out in terms of performing its job (thanks in part to Musk himself). Things will eventually catch up but it's simply the wild west for the next few years.

elric 10mo ago
Is government intervention even necessary? IANAL, and I don't know shit about US law, but if this this crap on X is illegal, then surely the courts can handle this and ban/fine/jail the responsible parties? If this isn't illegal, then sure, government intervention will be required, laws will have to be amended, etc. Until that happens, what are realistic options? Shaming the perps? A bit of hacktivism?
- johnnyanmac 10mo ago
  The federal courts in the US are theoretically non-partisian. But 2025 has shown that the Department of Justice has functioned as Trump's personal legal counsel. That's even happening as we speak with the kerfuffle behind the Central Bank (another non-partisan organization that Trump is desperately trying to make partisan). As is, Musk probably isn't going to get confronted by this current DoJ. The state courts may try to take this up, but it has less reach than the federal courts. Other country's courts may take action and even ban X. >what are realistic options? Shaming the perps? A bit of hacktivism? Those can happen. I don't know how much it moves the needle, but those will be inevitable reactions. The only way out for the American people would be to mass boycott X over this, but our political activism has been fairly weak. Especially for software.
- array_key_first 10mo ago
  The argument is X themselves are responsible, but they make it extremely easy and do the service for you. It's different. Like, if I sell a gun and you go and shoot someone I'm not necessarily responsible. Okay, makes sense. But if I run a shooting range and I give you zero training and don't even bother to put up walls, and someone gets shot, then I probably am responsible. That might mean something like Grok cannot realistically run at scale. I say good riddance and who cares.
- pseudalopex 10mo ago
  > Is government intervention even necessary? IANAL, and I don't know shit about US law, but if this this crap on X is illegal, then surely the courts can handle this and ban/fine/jail the responsible parties? Government includes courts in American. And prosecutors are part of the executive branch in the US.

elric 10mo ago

Is government intervention even necessary? IANAL, and I don't know shit about US law, but if this this crap on X is illegal, then surely the courts can handle this and ban/fine/jail the responsible parties? If this isn't illegal, then sure, government intervention will be required, laws will have to be amended, etc. Until that happens, what are realistic options? Shaming the perps? A bit of hacktivism?

johnnyanmac 10mo ago
The federal courts in the US are theoretically non-partisian. But 2025 has shown that the Department of Justice has functioned as Trump's personal legal counsel. That's even happening as we speak with the kerfuffle behind the Central Bank (another non-partisan organization that Trump is desperately trying to make partisan). As is, Musk probably isn't going to get confronted by this current DoJ. The state courts may try to take this up, but it has less reach than the federal courts. Other country's courts may take action and even ban X. >what are realistic options? Shaming the perps? A bit of hacktivism? Those can happen. I don't know how much it moves the needle, but those will be inevitable reactions. The only way out for the American people would be to mass boycott X over this, but our political activism has been fairly weak. Especially for software.
array_key_first 10mo ago
The argument is X themselves are responsible, but they make it extremely easy and do the service for you. It's different. Like, if I sell a gun and you go and shoot someone I'm not necessarily responsible. Okay, makes sense. But if I run a shooting range and I give you zero training and don't even bother to put up walls, and someone gets shot, then I probably am responsible. That might mean something like Grok cannot realistically run at scale. I say good riddance and who cares.
pseudalopex 10mo ago
> Is government intervention even necessary? IANAL, and I don't know shit about US law, but if this this crap on X is illegal, then surely the courts can handle this and ban/fine/jail the responsible parties? Government includes courts in American. And prosecutors are part of the executive branch in the US.