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Your intuition about this is wrong. Reagan's approval among Republicans averaged about 83%, Trump's numbers are typically over 90%, although currently he's down

Your intuition about this is wrong. Reagan's approval among Republicans averaged about 83%, Trump's numbers are typically over 90%, although currently he's down to an all-time low of around 85%. You are quite wrong about GW as well. While he had a mandate, at first, for Iraq, he was deeply polarizing in pretty much every other regard.

johnnyanmac 9mo ago
https://news.gallup.com/poll/699221/trump-approval-rating-drops-new-second-term-low.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/699221/trump-approval-rating-dr... seeing Dem numbers be in the single didgits and republican numbers in the high 80's really exemplifies how utterly divided the "United" States has become. I don't think any other president in the last century has been so divisive. There's basically no more room for Dem's to disapprove, so I guess it's up to "Independents" to wake up.
bpt3 9mo ago
My intuition is not wrong, and I am absolutely not wrong about GW Bush's approval ratings right after 9/11 (a peak of 99% approval among Republicans) and his approval ratings afterwards through the rest of his first term: https://news.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ra... Concerning Reagan, I was looking at his 93% approval rating when he left office, and comparing it to Trump's approval rating at the end of his first term, but I am aware there are metrics where Trump would be seen as more popular than Reagan among Republicans, such as minimum approval rating): https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/ronald-reagan-public-approval https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/ronald-reaga... Trump's militant support among Republicans is irritating to say the least, but there's no need to rewrite history or double down on incorrect statements on your part.
- LastTrain 9mo ago
  Your own sources show that Trump is more popular than Reagan among Republicans. Just because there was a moment in history where his numbers were better than Trump's doesn't undo the fact that over the long term, on average, Trump is more popular with Republicans than Reagan was. Demonstrably. Is there a conservative left in America willing to have an honest conversation?
  - bpt3 9mo ago
    I explained why I mentioned Reagan and acknowledged that Trump is more popular by some metrics, but he doesn't matter ultimately because GW Bush was more popular than Trump with Republicans more recently by absolute highest level of support, an average over basically any time period over his first term, or the lowest level of support, which is why I said you must only be talking about people born after 2004. You're just as bad as the conservatives you dislike, because the issue is that you're all ideologues, not the specific ideology.
    - LastTrain 9mo ago
      All I have anymore is an undoubtedly flawed moral compass, but I know these things are wrong and, up until the last few years, they were not at all partisan. And this is just to name a few: * Law enforcement should not wear masks. * The military should not be used to police US citizens. * The US should not threaten to invade peaceful allies. Canada. Greenland. Anyone who violated any of these, regardless of party, would immediately lose my support forever. These aren't "mistakes", they are evil deeds. So, tell me who is an ideologue.
- CamperBob2 9mo ago
  9/11 doesn't count, for the perfectly-obvious reason that Trump has had no 9/11-scale event to compare to. Yet.

johnnyanmac 9mo ago

https://news.gallup.com/poll/699221/trump-approval-rating-drops-new-second-term-low.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/699221/trump-approval-rating-dr... seeing Dem numbers be in the single didgits and republican numbers in the high 80's really exemplifies how utterly divided the "United" States has become. I don't think any other president in the last century has been so divisive. There's basically no more room for Dem's to disapprove, so I guess it's up to "Independents" to wake up.

bpt3 9mo ago

My intuition is not wrong, and I am absolutely not wrong about GW Bush's approval ratings right after 9/11 (a peak of 99% approval among Republicans) and his approval ratings afterwards through the rest of his first term: https://news.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ra... Concerning Reagan, I was looking at his 93% approval rating when he left office, and comparing it to Trump's approval rating at the end of his first term, but I am aware there are metrics where Trump would be seen as more popular than Reagan among Republicans, such as minimum approval rating): https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/ronald-reagan-public-approval https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/ronald-reaga... Trump's militant support among Republicans is irritating to say the least, but there's no need to rewrite history or double down on incorrect statements on your part.

LastTrain 9mo ago
Your own sources show that Trump is more popular than Reagan among Republicans. Just because there was a moment in history where his numbers were better than Trump's doesn't undo the fact that over the long term, on average, Trump is more popular with Republicans than Reagan was. Demonstrably. Is there a conservative left in America willing to have an honest conversation?
- bpt3 9mo ago
  I explained why I mentioned Reagan and acknowledged that Trump is more popular by some metrics, but he doesn't matter ultimately because GW Bush was more popular than Trump with Republicans more recently by absolute highest level of support, an average over basically any time period over his first term, or the lowest level of support, which is why I said you must only be talking about people born after 2004. You're just as bad as the conservatives you dislike, because the issue is that you're all ideologues, not the specific ideology.
  - LastTrain 9mo ago
    All I have anymore is an undoubtedly flawed moral compass, but I know these things are wrong and, up until the last few years, they were not at all partisan. And this is just to name a few: * Law enforcement should not wear masks. * The military should not be used to police US citizens. * The US should not threaten to invade peaceful allies. Canada. Greenland. Anyone who violated any of these, regardless of party, would immediately lose my support forever. These aren't "mistakes", they are evil deeds. So, tell me who is an ideologue.
CamperBob2 9mo ago
9/11 doesn't count, for the perfectly-obvious reason that Trump has had no 9/11-scale event to compare to. Yet.