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Why? The people creating and operating the CSAM/revenge porn/depfakes creation and distribution platform are the ones who are culpable. The users who are creati

Why? The people creating and operating the CSAM/revenge porn/depfakes creation and distribution platform are the ones who are culpable. The users who are creating text prompts are just writing words. There’s a frantic effort to claim 230 protection, but this doesn’t protect you from the consequences of posting content all by yourself on the site you own and control.

themafia 9mo ago
> the CSAM/revenge porn/depfakes creation and distribution platform Which, in this case, is Twitter itself, no? > The users who are creating text prompts are just writing words. With highly specific intentions. It's not as if grok is curing cancer. Perhaps it's worth throwing away this minor distinction and considering the problem holistically.
- mullingitover 9mo ago
  > With highly specific intentions Intentions to pull the CSAM out of the server full of CSAM that twitter is running. Yes, you are making the flailing argument that the operators of the CSAM site desperately want to establish as the false but dominant narrative. If you have a database full of CSAM, and investigators write queries with specific intentions, and results show that there is CSAM in your database: you have a database full of CSAM. Now substitute 'model' for 'database.'
  - themafia 9mo ago
    Grok enables their behavior. An investigator does not _create novel child porn_ in doing a query. You're making a fallacious argument.
    - mullingitover 9mo ago
      > An investigator does not _create novel child porn_ in doing a query. And a prompt, without being aided and abetted by twitter, doesn't "create novel child porn" either. A prompt is essentially searching the space, and in the model operated by twitter it's yielding CSAM which is then being distributed to the world. If twitter were operating in good faith, even if this was the fault of its customers, it would shut the CSAM generator operation down until it could get a handle on the rampant criminal activity on its platform.
shepherdjerred 9mo ago
How is this not equivalent to saying that gun manufacturers should be held responsible for gun related murders?
- ImPostingOnHN 9mo ago
  Because the gun manufacturers aren't doing anything illegal, whereas running a service which creates CSAM is, and so is distributing CSAM. The tortured equivalent analogy would be if gun manufacturers ran a service where they themselves would murder somebody with their guns whenever someone posted a tweet with the victim's name
- immibis 9mo ago
  If you can post "Smith and Wesson, please kill this person" and then they die, someone from S&W should go to jail, yes

themafia 9mo ago

> the CSAM/revenge porn/depfakes creation and distribution platform Which, in this case, is Twitter itself, no? > The users who are creating text prompts are just writing words. With highly specific intentions. It's not as if grok is curing cancer. Perhaps it's worth throwing away this minor distinction and considering the problem holistically.

mullingitover 9mo ago
> With highly specific intentions Intentions to pull the CSAM out of the server full of CSAM that twitter is running. Yes, you are making the flailing argument that the operators of the CSAM site desperately want to establish as the false but dominant narrative. If you have a database full of CSAM, and investigators write queries with specific intentions, and results show that there is CSAM in your database: you have a database full of CSAM. Now substitute 'model' for 'database.'
- themafia 9mo ago
  Grok enables their behavior. An investigator does not _create novel child porn_ in doing a query. You're making a fallacious argument.
  - mullingitover 9mo ago
    > An investigator does not _create novel child porn_ in doing a query. And a prompt, without being aided and abetted by twitter, doesn't "create novel child porn" either. A prompt is essentially searching the space, and in the model operated by twitter it's yielding CSAM which is then being distributed to the world. If twitter were operating in good faith, even if this was the fault of its customers, it would shut the CSAM generator operation down until it could get a handle on the rampant criminal activity on its platform.

shepherdjerred 9mo ago

How is this not equivalent to saying that gun manufacturers should be held responsible for gun related murders?

ImPostingOnHN 9mo ago
Because the gun manufacturers aren't doing anything illegal, whereas running a service which creates CSAM is, and so is distributing CSAM. The tortured equivalent analogy would be if gun manufacturers ran a service where they themselves would murder somebody with their guns whenever someone posted a tweet with the victim's name
immibis 9mo ago
If you can post "Smith and Wesson, please kill this person" and then they die, someone from S&W should go to jail, yes