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Saying cisgender is bad on Twitter but CSAM is not. Very weird.
by wnevets 9mo ago
Saying cisgender is bad on Twitter but CSAM is not. Very weird.
- Zigurd 9mo agoFits the pattern. One of the two F-words will get your post flagged faster than the other.
- pesus 9mo agoMakes complete sense when you view it through the lens of Musk's opinions.
- ben_w 9mo agoEven given Musk's opinions, he clearly understands that the general public doesn't want kids getting hurt, he demonstrated this by saying Trump was in the Epstein files and by repeatedly saying the UK government isn't doing enough to stop child abuse and opining about a UK civil war. His hypocrisy, his position on the main-character-syndrome-to-narcissism spectrum, him getting a kick out of trolling everyone, or him having straight up psychopathy: whatever it is, I find I no longer care.
- nullocator 9mo ago> he clearly understands that the general public doesn't want kids getting hurt This may be giving him too much credit, the only thing we actually know is he thinks being accused of being a pedophile is bad. We know this because he's done it to several people, and flips his shit when it happens to him or his platform. He doesn't actually seem to care about pedophiles or pedophilia given his on going relationships with people he's accused.
- ben_w 9mo agoMm. Took me a moment to see your point there, but I think you're right. If he's only operating on the impact of the words, and ignoring the existence of an observable testable shared reality behind the words, then yes, accusations (either direction) are more damaging in his mind than being seen to support or oppose whatever. Which is, ironically, a reason to *oppose* absolute freedom of speech, when words have power beyond their connection to reality the justifications fall short. But like I said, I don't care if his inconsistency is simple hypocrisy or something more complex, not any more.
- parineum 9mo ago> If he's only operating on the impact of the words.. > Which is, ironically, a reason to oppose absolute freedom of speech... Since the former theory of mind can't explain the latter behavior, I guess it's wrong then, right?
- ben_w 9mo agoPlease elaborate, especially note that people on the internet loudly disagree if Musk's behaviour is supporting or suppressing freedom of expression and I have no way to guess what your position is without spending a lot of time diving into your comment history (a superficial glance didn't disambiguate).
- parineum 9mo agoYou went along with the theory of the poster and then presented evidence against it as ironic rather than evidence against. "I have a theory that Musk always wears green because he loves money. It's ironic that he wore red that one time."
- ben_w 9mo agoY'see, this is why I asked you note that people disagree if Musk's behaviour is supporting or suppressing freedom of expression. First: Musk says he is a "free speech absolutist", his behaviour is incongruent with what he says, he does in fact ban people (and file lawsuits, and fire people) for expression of things not forbidden by law. Second: Your second quotation of my words, these words: > Which is, ironically, a reason to oppose absolute freedom of speech... With these words I am not saying anything about if Musk does or does not support free speech (that's an independent statement which I also believe yields "does not"), I'm saying that the existence of people who operate on the basis of words having power beyond their connection to reality is a reason for any random person or group of people to have limits on free speech, and that my reasons why are summarised by the words after the end of your quotation: the justifications (for absolute freedom of expression) fall short (when such people operate). Has Musk developed a more nuanced understanding of freedom of expression since claiming to be a "free speech absolutist"? If he has, he's evil rather than simply a hypocrite. But I don't care which.
- ekjhgkejhgk 9mo agoConcerning.
- therobots927 9mo ago[flagged]
- bayarearefugee 9mo agoNot remotely surprising, nor sadly is the fact that hacker news flag-killed this story.
- labrador 9mo agoIt's not Hacker News. It's Musk fans on HN. The article is flagged (anyone can do it) but not dead. My reasonable comment elsewhere in this thread was also flagged by Musk fans but it's still alive.
- mdhb 9mo agoThe mods absolutely endorse it though so in that sense it very much is them. They tend to be extremely dishonest and evasive when confronted directly about it but I mean anyone who has an account here can see with their own lying eyes that this happens multiple times a day, every day and it’s simply not plausible that it’s anything else other than something they support.
- immibis 9mo agoThe purpose of a system is what it does. If the system did something different from its purpose, they would change it. I'm sure it's also intentional there's no vouch button for posts. This will change once every high quality post is flagged to death.
- latexr 9mo ago> there's no vouch button for posts. There is. But seems like it’s only for [dead], not [flagged].
- rootusrootus 9mo agoI suspect dead usually means shadow ban, at least for comments, and vouch is a way to selectively show through community support a high value comment from an otherwise abusive user. Where flagged is overt, already applies just to that one comment, and vouching in that case wouldn't really make logical sense. Unless we want people to be able to wage flag wars.
- nailer 9mo ago[flagged]
- array_key_first 9mo agoDoesn't matter what he says, or what anyone says actually. His actions demonstrate it is okay, and, since he is the CEO of X and undoubtedly aware of these issues, we have no choice but to conclude he supports CSAM on X.
- nailer 9mo agoWhen Elon took over X in 2022 he declared CSAM the number 1 priority. 11M+ X accounts were suspended for CSE violations in 2023 (vs 2.3M on Twitter in 2022). X has recently made the penalty for prompting for CSAM the same as uploading it. You could find this out yourself very easily.
- array_key_first 9mo agoThis has not meaningfully prevented CSAM generated by Grok. There are simple and trivial ways to stop it outright, including just shutting down Grok. Nobody is doing this, because they don't want to.
- deleted 9mo ago[deleted]
- immibis 9mo agoAnd then he gave everyone a bot that makes CSAM. You could find this out for yourself very easily.
- deleted 9mo ago[deleted]
- nailer 9mo agoNo. Users are finding workarounds for filters. Same with every other tool.
- rsynnott 9mo agoConcerning.