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Well you can be right, or you can win. This thread is a consequence of being right.

by eudamoniac 10mo ago

aisengard 10mo ago
Well, some people can win. Other people will simply die of massive blood loss. As long as it's not you, right?
- anonymars 10mo ago
  If Roe v. Wade is gone now, what point are you trying to make?
  - nkohari 10mo ago
    Roe v. Wade isn't gone because of the will of the people. Nobody voted to overturn it. It's gone because of a unique scenario involving the balance of power in the SCOTUS. Congressional Republicans simply refused to confirm a legally appointed justice, allowing a conservative justice to be appointed in their place after the next POTUS was elected. Then, another liberal justice passed away creating another vacancy which was again filled by a conservative. If either or both of those things hadn't happened, Roe v. Wade would not have been overturned. And sure, you can say it was the will of the people that a conservative was in office at the time, and appointed the justices, but that's not the same as voting for or against federal abortion rights.
    - anonymars 10mo ago
      Appointing judges to overturn Roe v. Wade was a focal point in the 2016 election. Dangling that possibility was the entire point of the confirmation shenanigans. "Well, if we put another two or perhaps three justices on, that ... will happen automatically in my opinion because I am putting pro-life justices on the court" https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trumps-justices-decisive-long-campaign-overturn-roe-v-wade-2022-06-24/#:~:text=The%20month%20before,at%20the%20time. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trumps-justices-dec...
UncleMeat 10mo ago
So, we've seen large disproportionate electoral success from pro-life democrats? Referenda protecting abortion rights in red states were totally crushed? Wait no. That's not what has happened. Further, democratic voters are democrats because they support the policies that the democratic policy supports. Democrats suddenly being down with a federal ban on abortion isn't going to exactly get pro choice dems (the huge majority of their voting population) to run to the polls. Dems tried the "actually we are right wing too" approach on immigration. Do people who hate illegal immigrants vote dem now? No.

Well you can be right, or you can win. This thread is a consequence of being right.

aisengard 10mo ago

Well, some people can win. Other people will simply die of massive blood loss. As long as it's not you, right?

anonymars 10mo ago
If Roe v. Wade is gone now, what point are you trying to make?
- nkohari 10mo ago
  Roe v. Wade isn't gone because of the will of the people. Nobody voted to overturn it. It's gone because of a unique scenario involving the balance of power in the SCOTUS. Congressional Republicans simply refused to confirm a legally appointed justice, allowing a conservative justice to be appointed in their place after the next POTUS was elected. Then, another liberal justice passed away creating another vacancy which was again filled by a conservative. If either or both of those things hadn't happened, Roe v. Wade would not have been overturned. And sure, you can say it was the will of the people that a conservative was in office at the time, and appointed the justices, but that's not the same as voting for or against federal abortion rights.
  - anonymars 10mo ago
    Appointing judges to overturn Roe v. Wade was a focal point in the 2016 election. Dangling that possibility was the entire point of the confirmation shenanigans. "Well, if we put another two or perhaps three justices on, that ... will happen automatically in my opinion because I am putting pro-life justices on the court" https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trumps-justices-decisive-long-campaign-overturn-roe-v-wade-2022-06-24/#:~:text=The%20month%20before,at%20the%20time. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trumps-justices-dec...

UncleMeat 10mo ago

So, we've seen large disproportionate electoral success from pro-life democrats? Referenda protecting abortion rights in red states were totally crushed? Wait no. That's not what has happened. Further, democratic voters are democrats because they support the policies that the democratic policy supports. Democrats suddenly being down with a federal ban on abortion isn't going to exactly get pro choice dems (the huge majority of their voting population) to run to the polls. Dems tried the "actually we are right wing too" approach on immigration. Do people who hate illegal immigrants vote dem now? No.