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This is only going to change if prosecution is brought against Meta itself, which it looks like the "recklessly" clause is intended to imply. I look forward to

by pjc50 10mo ago

This is only going to change if prosecution is brought against Meta itself, which it looks like the "recklessly" clause is intended to imply. I look forward to Meta facing criminal charges for profiting from fraud. What's the Irish equivalent of Hansard, by the way? Can we look up the debate?

ChrisMarshallNY 10mo ago
> facing criminal charges for profiting from fraud Amazon, too, but this seems to be "fraud that annoys pols," so I guess The Big A is going to be left alone...
dmurray 10mo ago
There hasn't been a debate. The headline is not reflective of the facts. There hasn't been any agreement to fast track this bill, but the politician sponsoring it has said in a radio interview that (surprise!) he thinks it should be fast tracked. The Dáil record can be found here, but there's nothing of interest in it: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/search/?searchType=debates&debateType=dail&datePeriod=all&originalFilter=%2Fen%2Fdebates%2Ffind%2F%3FdatePeriod%3Dall%26debateType%3Ddail%26resultsPerPage%3D50&q=Protection+of+voice+and+image+Bill https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/search/?searchType=debates&deba...
- amiga386 10mo ago
  Oh for fuck's sake. HN: "Ireland fast tracks Bill to criminalise harmful voice or image misuse" TFA: "Calls to fast track Bill to criminalise harmful misuse of someone’s voice or image" Call to action. Not action. And the call is coming from the bill's proposer! He would say that, wouldn't he? But what matters is if the actual government takes that bill further. If they don't, we don't need to care about what this guy thinks. HN headline (possibly an earlier headline of TFA) is fundamentally misrepresenting the situation.
  - wasabi991011 10mo ago
    You can email the mod team with this explanation and get them to change the title.
verzali 10mo ago
Oh they won't. Vance will say a few mean words and threaten to bomb Dublin if anyone lifts a finger against Meta.
Ajedi32 10mo ago
What makes you think Meta will do a better job of policing this than the actual police? Granted, they might be able to crack down harder in some respects since unlike the police they don't have to worry about due process, but is that really "doing a better job" on balance?
- Nextgrid 10mo ago
  The police doesn't have access to all the data for starters. Meta does.
  - Ajedi32 10mo ago
    These are public posts we're talking about, right? Or are we saying Meta should be cracking down on content in private communication too? (And if so, isn't that the same concern I just mentioned about due process, but for privacy instead?)
    - Nextgrid 10mo ago
      If we're talking about profiting from fraud, then we're talking ads. Which are semi-public, you only see them if you fall within the targeting bucket, which definitely wouldn't include "law enforcement officer".
      - Ajedi32 10mo ago
        They profit from regular posts too, since those usually have ads next to them. But fair point.
- simion314 10mo ago
  >What makes you think Meta will do a better job of policing this than the actual police? Meta announce they will stop political/electoral advertising in EU, so this ios proof that Meta can do but we need to foce them to act, otherwise Meta makes money from all the scams in the ads that are published, in fact I remember Meta looked into the scam problem and decided to stop looking sicne solving the problem would reduce their profits. Now in case all those well paid engineers at Meta can't find a solution here is an idea I had just by thinking at it for a few seconds, those geniuses shoudl be able to find better ones if they want. 1 when a scam ad is reported block that account and their ads 2 before the ad is published have an AI scan it, if it looks to be related to politics, crypto or other scam friendly domains have someone review it . do not allow fresh accounts to publish this kind of shit without a human review 3 for Facebook content when someone shares fake shiot, like a proven fake document, or scam or faked video block the account and then notify all the people that liked or shared the scam that they were scammed/tricked ... when your users will get 10 daily notifications "You are an idiot you shared this fake shit" you might realize you should do something about scams or users will stop engaging with your stuff. I am talking here about proveable scams and fakes , so not about some gray area. I mean scams, faked videos/images/documents etc

by pjc50 10mo ago

ChrisMarshallNY 10mo ago

> facing criminal charges for profiting from fraud Amazon, too, but this seems to be "fraud that annoys pols," so I guess The Big A is going to be left alone...

dmurray 10mo ago

There hasn't been a debate. The headline is not reflective of the facts. There hasn't been any agreement to fast track this bill, but the politician sponsoring it has said in a radio interview that (surprise!) he thinks it should be fast tracked. The Dáil record can be found here, but there's nothing of interest in it: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/search/?searchType=debates&debateType=dail&datePeriod=all&originalFilter=%2Fen%2Fdebates%2Ffind%2F%3FdatePeriod%3Dall%26debateType%3Ddail%26resultsPerPage%3D50&q=Protection+of+voice+and+image+Bill https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/search/?searchType=debates&deba...

amiga386 10mo ago
Oh for fuck's sake. HN: "Ireland fast tracks Bill to criminalise harmful voice or image misuse" TFA: "Calls to fast track Bill to criminalise harmful misuse of someone’s voice or image" Call to action. Not action. And the call is coming from the bill's proposer! He would say that, wouldn't he? But what matters is if the actual government takes that bill further. If they don't, we don't need to care about what this guy thinks. HN headline (possibly an earlier headline of TFA) is fundamentally misrepresenting the situation.
- wasabi991011 10mo ago
  You can email the mod team with this explanation and get them to change the title.

verzali 10mo ago

Oh they won't. Vance will say a few mean words and threaten to bomb Dublin if anyone lifts a finger against Meta.

Ajedi32 10mo ago

What makes you think Meta will do a better job of policing this than the actual police? Granted, they might be able to crack down harder in some respects since unlike the police they don't have to worry about due process, but is that really "doing a better job" on balance?

Nextgrid 10mo ago
The police doesn't have access to all the data for starters. Meta does.
- Ajedi32 10mo ago
  These are public posts we're talking about, right? Or are we saying Meta should be cracking down on content in private communication too? (And if so, isn't that the same concern I just mentioned about due process, but for privacy instead?)
  - Nextgrid 10mo ago
    If we're talking about profiting from fraud, then we're talking ads. Which are semi-public, you only see them if you fall within the targeting bucket, which definitely wouldn't include "law enforcement officer".
    - Ajedi32 10mo ago
      They profit from regular posts too, since those usually have ads next to them. But fair point.
simion314 10mo ago
>What makes you think Meta will do a better job of policing this than the actual police? Meta announce they will stop political/electoral advertising in EU, so this ios proof that Meta can do but we need to foce them to act, otherwise Meta makes money from all the scams in the ads that are published, in fact I remember Meta looked into the scam problem and decided to stop looking sicne solving the problem would reduce their profits. Now in case all those well paid engineers at Meta can't find a solution here is an idea I had just by thinking at it for a few seconds, those geniuses shoudl be able to find better ones if they want. 1 when a scam ad is reported block that account and their ads 2 before the ad is published have an AI scan it, if it looks to be related to politics, crypto or other scam friendly domains have someone review it . do not allow fresh accounts to publish this kind of shit without a human review 3 for Facebook content when someone shares fake shiot, like a proven fake document, or scam or faked video block the account and then notify all the people that liked or shared the scam that they were scammed/tricked ... when your users will get 10 daily notifications "You are an idiot you shared this fake shit" you might realize you should do something about scams or users will stop engaging with your stuff. I am talking here about proveable scams and fakes , so not about some gray area. I mean scams, faked videos/images/documents etc