2. "Joel is a dolt" - Neither on the lines nor between them have I seen this in Kent's post. 1. "Joel is neither stupid nor malicious" - Stupid + Malicious !=

2. "Joel is a dolt" - Neither on the lines nor between them have I seen this in Kent's post. 1. "Joel is neither stupid nor malicious" - Stupid + Malicious != AllThereCouldEverBe... Pompous and AttentionCraving are missing for example. Others are too... 0. I _partly_ dislike both stands on software dev. methodology (Kent's and Joel's) so don't take this a fanboysm. I respect Kent's life work more though.