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"Shopify CEO doesn't understand how to install a DICOM viewer application which is widely available and open source for any platform [1], so decides to let Clau

"Shopify CEO doesn't understand how to install a DICOM viewer application which is widely available and open source for any platform [1], so decides to let Claude Code plagiarize one / use widely available open source DICOM libraries." [1] https://alternativeto.net/software/horos/?license=opensource https://alternativeto.net/software/horos/?license=opensource

delichon 9mo ago
The plagiarism of open source accusation is interesting. If you didn't know you are using open source code, is it plagiarism not to acknowledge it? What if you have enough knowledge of how LLMs work that you should have known? Does it help any to include an acknowledgement that you probably used some open source code but don't know which? I'd parse it the same way as for natural intelligence. If I ask Bob how to do it, and he tells me from what he learned from open source, neither of us are plagiarizing open source.
- palmotea 9mo ago
  Are you passing off work you didn't do as your own? If so, it's plagiarism. Doesn't matter exactly where the work came from or how it was laundered, since you know you didn't do it. Simple as that.
  - delichon 9mo ago
    Tobi Lutke very explicitly did not pass off the work as his own. He attributed it to Claude. Does the fact that he didn't know about and include all of Claude's sources make it plagiarism? Would he have had the same obligation if he learned it from Bob?
    - palmotea 9mo ago
      > Tobi Lutke very explicitly did not pass off the work as his own. He attributed it to Claude. Does the fact that he didn't know about and include all of Claude's sources make it plagiarism? Yes. The OP wrote: >>>> so decides to let Claude Code plagiarize one Read it carefully: Claude Code is the actor that's doing the plagiarizing. What Tobias Lutke is doing is gushing about plagiarism like it's original work. It's like if I gave you a copy of To Kill a Mockingbird, but with my name as the author, and you then went around telling everyone how impressive of a writer I am.
- throwaway89201 9mo ago
  Claude Code mostly copies and amalgamates codes from others, without attribution. But you could argue that's very similar to what humans do. In this case it's very likely that Claude Code used some library to parse DICOM (and not outright reproducing it), while the Shopify CEO passed it off as something very innovative or difficult. But that isn't plagiarism either. It was more of a figure of speech to emphasize that nobody (and no tool) did the actual work here, and the party that did the work did not get any credit. Perhaps we could call it paraplagiarism. > I'd parse it the same way as for natural intelligence. If I ask Bob how to do it Not to detract from your point, but Claude Code is a very much a tool, not another person with their own responsibilities. "natural intelligence" and "artificial intelligence" are not simply interchangeable here.

delichon 9mo ago

The plagiarism of open source accusation is interesting. If you didn't know you are using open source code, is it plagiarism not to acknowledge it? What if you have enough knowledge of how LLMs work that you should have known? Does it help any to include an acknowledgement that you probably used some open source code but don't know which? I'd parse it the same way as for natural intelligence. If I ask Bob how to do it, and he tells me from what he learned from open source, neither of us are plagiarizing open source.

palmotea 9mo ago
Are you passing off work you didn't do as your own? If so, it's plagiarism. Doesn't matter exactly where the work came from or how it was laundered, since you know you didn't do it. Simple as that.
- delichon 9mo ago
  Tobi Lutke very explicitly did not pass off the work as his own. He attributed it to Claude. Does the fact that he didn't know about and include all of Claude's sources make it plagiarism? Would he have had the same obligation if he learned it from Bob?
  - palmotea 9mo ago
    > Tobi Lutke very explicitly did not pass off the work as his own. He attributed it to Claude. Does the fact that he didn't know about and include all of Claude's sources make it plagiarism? Yes. The OP wrote: >>>> so decides to let Claude Code plagiarize one Read it carefully: Claude Code is the actor that's doing the plagiarizing. What Tobias Lutke is doing is gushing about plagiarism like it's original work. It's like if I gave you a copy of To Kill a Mockingbird, but with my name as the author, and you then went around telling everyone how impressive of a writer I am.
throwaway89201 9mo ago
Claude Code mostly copies and amalgamates codes from others, without attribution. But you could argue that's very similar to what humans do. In this case it's very likely that Claude Code used some library to parse DICOM (and not outright reproducing it), while the Shopify CEO passed it off as something very innovative or difficult. But that isn't plagiarism either. It was more of a figure of speech to emphasize that nobody (and no tool) did the actual work here, and the party that did the work did not get any credit. Perhaps we could call it paraplagiarism. > I'd parse it the same way as for natural intelligence. If I ask Bob how to do it Not to detract from your point, but Claude Code is a very much a tool, not another person with their own responsibilities. "natural intelligence" and "artificial intelligence" are not simply interchangeable here.