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in europe there is a social stigma around GLP-1 drugs, a lot of people considered it cheating and lazy, so a lot of people don't dare talk about their usage
by Raed667 9mo ago
in europe there is a social stigma around GLP-1 drugs, a lot of people considered it cheating and lazy, so a lot of people don't dare talk about their usage
- carlmr 9mo agoThere may be, but I haven't seen anyone lose significant weight either since this started.
- raverbashing 9mo agoOr, you know, just less obese people
- carlmr 9mo agoWe have quite a few obese people. Not as many as the US, but not few either.
- Raed667 9mo ago> France [...] 2020 [...] excess weight was 47.3%, with 17% of subjects being obese https://presse.inserm.fr/en/obesite-et-surpoids-pres-dun-francais-sur-deux-concerne-etat-des-lieux-prevention-et-solutions-therapeutiques/66621/ https://presse.inserm.fr/en/obesite-et-surpoids-pres-dun-fra...
- tiborsaas 9mo agoMany of my not obese friends started using it out of pure laziness. But in general I believe that obese factor too :)
- u_sama 9mo agoYou also forget it is expensive and in many cases not taking charge by the respective healthcare autority of the country, so it leads to less consumption.
- sffddfsdsf 9mo agoAnd its for life. Unless you are doing it for Instagram only... "The Insta Diet" as it is called also.. When the diet finishes, you will gain the fat instantly also (just as with any diet obviously).
- Raed667 9mo agoIt is for sure expensive (~300€ / month) but from my understanding nothing like the prices you see in the US (+2'000 $)
- devilbunny 9mo agoI've known several users of GLP1's. None ever paid more than $600/mo for them once the "patient assistance" programs started, and even in the very earliest days the prices I heard were never more than about $1100 if paid in cash. So, while they are very expensive, your understanding is not reflective of the situation on the ground.
- Raed667 9mo agothat's good to hear, the sticker prices are insane
- jrockway 9mo agoYeah, Zepbound is $499 now. Out of reach of many, but an improvement from $549 last year. The terms and conditions are confusing. You can only use the half-off coupon they provide if you have prescription drug insurance. Even if insurance doesn't cover it, they still require the processing pharmacy to check that you have some sort of valid insurance and only process the coupon if so. If you fall into that bucket, it's $1200 or something. (Had to pay that amount one month because Amazon Pharmacy was very confused about my gender marker changing on my insurance. Many, many support tickets later, and it got fixed.) There is also some price difference between the autoinjector and the single-use vial + provide your own needle and syringe. I haven't looked into that because it's the same with the coupon, but if you can't get the coupon to work, it's an option to just inject it yourself. Honestly I prefer not using the autoinjectors (I inject other medications), but it's the path of least resistance. Finally, the coupon claims it only works for 7 fills, but I've been taking the medication for a couple years and all my fills have been covered. I don't really understand it. I have a feeling that I'm the only person in the world that read the fine print, including the pharmacies and manufacturer :/
- Traubenfuchs 9mo agoIn Austria I have noticed a massive social stigma. I think that's embarrassing and backwards. As someone who is very athletic and takes nothing extraordinary besides creatine and whey protein I fully support anyone who wants to become healthier, with or without medication.
- m0llusk 9mo agoIn my experience this is not healthy. People who had problems with weight are very quickly losing excess weight and displaying a range of symptoms related to that including sunken and starved looking faces and significant loss of lean muscle mass. Changes made to the face with rapid weight loss may become permanent and especially for older people the loss of lean muscle mass can become a major health problem. Sudden extreme changes in body composition are often neither healthy nor stable.
- benmmurphy 9mo agoThere might be health problems associated with these drugs but they need to be compared to the next best option. I think for a lot of people on these drugs the next best option is continuing the status quo which has a lot of negative health outcomes as well.
- Foivos 9mo agoThe social stigma in Europe exists, because these drugs are in limited supply. So, if a person who does not really need them is using them, the people who actually need them to stay alive might have difficulty accessing them.
- Raed667 9mo agothat's actually not true, Mounjaro and Wegovy are pretty much meant for weight loss and there is no competition over them for people with diabetes
- derektank 9mo agoMounjaro is the tirzepatide equivalent to Ozempic (semaglutide) in that it’s prescribed for type 2 diabetes. Wegovy (semaglutide) and Zepbound (tirzepatide) are prescribed for obesity. Otherwise you’re spot on.
- dboreham 9mo agoThere is until they're packaged because they're the same drug. Only the label is different.
- laurentiurad 9mo agoyou can just order them to your home on any of the websites selling GLP-1. Stop the propaganda inferring that the public healthcare is bad and doesn't allow people to get their medicine.
- blell 9mo agoIn Spain you can't. You need to be authorised by a doctor to buy those drugs.
- bigfishrunning 9mo agoThis is also true in the US -- these are prescription drugs.
- blell 9mo agoI read this online, I don't know where it was, so I can't give a source, it probably was on twitter: "People really want these things - exercise, weight - to be important moral objectives for others, when they're not that important in the grand scheme of things. Now you'll just have to find another easy visual marker for ranking people by moral superiority."
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- hare2eternity 9mo agoI would imagine we'll see a greater emphasis on muscularity. Already 'skinny fat' has long been a pejorative for slim people that hadn't 'earned' it (whatever 'it' is). Like just about everything, supply and demand will determine desirability. In a world where no-one is overweight being slim is no longer a desirable differentiator.