p in the callee is not constructed at all. It's a reference. > Calling a function that takes a rref will never use a move constructor to create the paramete T

p in the callee is not constructed at all. It's a reference. > Calling a function that takes a rref will never use a move constructor to create the paramete This is what I mean by talking past each other. This is literally what I said. Well, I wouldn't say the parameter is "created", since I'd say that's an imprecise term in this context.