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I misread this as AI initially ... The only art-centric monkey I knew was Koko, the female gorilla. Here she draws some things: https://www.youtube.com/watch
by shevy-java 9mo ago
I misread this as AI initially ...
The only art-centric monkey I knew was Koko, the female gorilla.
Here she draws some things:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iixL0CMOAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iixL0CMOAM
Smartest monkey I ever saw was Kanzi though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENKinbfgrkU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENKinbfgrkU
I think it is only a question and matter of time before
the prison systems for monkeys may have to be reconsidered
completely. Of course even smarter monkeys than Kanzi
won't reach human brain functions, but they are also very
convincingly extremely clever and can adapt. Numerous videos
where monkeys handle (!) smartphones show this already and
this is just the beginning. Like, in the movie Planet of the
Apes. Just long-term in smaller steps.
- ChrisMarshallNY 9mo agoDon't call him a monk- aaaaarghhh... https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/The_Librarian https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/The_Librarian
- dejj 9mo ago"I think this was a powerful lesson on the dangers of AI. Which by the way means 'love' in Chinese." Elon Tusk, Rick and Morty, S4E4: https://youtu.be/xQHCz9ZZorA?t=129 https://youtu.be/xQHCz9ZZorA?t=129
- mettamage 9mo agoIt also means love in Japanese!
- DroneBetter 9mo agoit's weird to see that 6 years ago the public consensus on Musk was just that he was a well-intentioned soft-spoken nerd who liked computers and found himself with inadvertent money to allocate altruistically
- brap 9mo agoKoko, that chimp’s alright.
- 29athrowaway 9mo agoKoko's communication skills turned out to be a scam.
- navigate8310 9mo agoHere's Rambo, an orangutan, driving a golf cart in Dubai: https://youtu.be/ERTrOwEb5M8 https://youtu.be/ERTrOwEb5M8
- DroneBetter 9mo agois there any further information on how she was trained and whether it used a reward for reaching objectives like teaching Kanzi (a bonobo) to play Minecraft? did a human demonstrate the controls or was there a simulation before the actual vehicle? or a hardcoded speed limit that was slowly raised?
- bbor 9mo agoAnd before someone comes in to correct: yes, we're monkeys. No, the taxonomists don't know any better! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey
- rafram 9mo agoThat article seems to say that the standard definition of "monkey" does not include apes, and thus humans.
- technothrasher 9mo agoIt doesn't just seem to say it, it says it explicitly: "monkeys are, in terms of currently recognized taxa, non-hominoid simians". Perhaps the accepted terminology may change at some point, but currently apes are not monkeys.
- b00ty4breakfast 9mo agoI remember reading or hearing that if we follow taxonomnic rules from the ground up, humans would be classified as hagfish (don't quote me on that, I have a terrible memory)
- tomjakubowski 9mo agoWe've not made much progress on this front since Plato's featherless biped.
- conception 9mo agoFun fact! Koko’s abilities to sign and communicate were a total fraud! https://bigthink.com/life/ape-sign-language/ https://bigthink.com/life/ape-sign-language/
- junon 9mo agoTo dismiss it as total fraud is disingenuous, but I do agree that the personification of some of those videos is quite egregious. I don't think anyone expected a chimp to make coherent, grammatically correct sentences. But the relationship between sign/vocalization and emotion/desire is strong and seen in many animals, such as parrots. It depends on your definition of communication I suppose.
- moi2388 9mo agoIs it? Afaik they didn’t actually sign anything other than random words, an “food” every second word or so..
- conception 9mo agoThere’s no evidence that KoKo ever communicated a word and had understanding of what the word meant outside of basic Pavlovian associations.
- OkayPhysicist 9mo agoThe main issue wasn't grammatical correctness, it was being grammatical at all. It's not surprising that an animal can learn individual pieces of vocabulary: anybody whose dog loses its mind when the word "walk" is mentioned, or watched meerkats for significant periods of time can observe vocabulary in animals. Koko was intended to be taught grammar, specifically the ability to express new thoughts by combining her vocabulary in an ordered way. Despite Francine Patterson's best efforts to convince the world otherwise, Koko never achieved this.
- mettamage 9mo agoThere's some research that some birds understand grammar [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmys2abx4co https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmys2abx4co
- jennyholzer6 9mo ago[dead]
- bicolao 9mo ago> I misread this as AI initially ... The japanese have it harder because "ai" means love. But perhaps "love" will be written in kanji while "AI" in katakana, so writing form is not confusing.
- kagevf 9mo agoFrom what I've seen, "AI" is typically written with the "Roman" (latin) letters, or translated as 人工知能 (AI) or as 生成AI (generative AI like LLMs).
- stevenwoo 9mo agoAn anthropologist writes about communication and language in The Language Puzzle, https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/steven-mithen/the-language-puzzle/ https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/steven-mithen/the... , TLDR, a little speculative but no primate exhibits evidence beyond a very primitive form of communication - only the extreme outliers are used in demonstrations, which are not much upon closer examination, there’s probably an evolutionary step needed for any other primate than man to use language as far as we can tell. There are key differences in brain and vocalization physiology between humans and other primates .
- plaguuuuuu 9mo agoI think about this way, would you stick a five year old in a prison? What about an intellectually disabled adult?