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You don't even have to scroll. Placing two fingers on the pad makes the scrollbar appear immediately. I'm happy for each additional pixel of space on my screen,

by nkmnz 9mo ago

You don't even have to scroll. Placing two fingers on the pad makes the scrollbar appear immediately. I'm happy for each additional pixel of space on my screen, but I also think a scrollbar should be completely configurable userland behavior.

bschwindHN 9mo ago
It should, unfortunately apple doesn't believe the same I suppose. I'm lucky enough that I'm happy with their defaults and don't spend much time thinking about tweaking stuff on my computers, but I can understand it being super frustrating if you're not okay with the available settings.
- nkmnz 9mo ago
  Yeah. Defaults should make the details of the system go out of the user's way, for >95% of the users, >95% of their time. The remaining <5% of users are power users and hackers, and the remaining <5% of usage are strong taste and individual hacks.
Wowfunhappy 9mo ago
> but I also think a scrollbar should be completely configurable userland behavior. It is configurable, right in System Preferences > General. (Or I guess it's "Settings" now on modern systems, don't know what menu it's in there.)
- nkmnz 9mo ago
  Based on some discussions of users that have already downloaded Tahoe, I was under the impression that this is no longer possible? Also, I think it’s not possible to have the scroll bar outside of the window instead of overlaying some content.
  - Wowfunhappy 9mo ago
    Hmm. I haven't used Tahoe myself, but this piece by John Gruber would seem to imply the option still exists. Maybe it got moved? https://daringfireball.net/linked/2026/01/12/macos-26-cut-corner https://daringfireball.net/linked/2026/01/12/macos-26-cut-co...
    - nkmnz 9mo ago
      I dread the day I must find out :) P.S.: seems like the setting still keeps the scroll bar on top of the windows content (e.g. a website), not outside of the content.
      - Wowfunhappy 9mo ago
        Traditionally the setting has moved the scroll bar outside of content. I can’t say for sure what they’ve done in Tahoe, but I’m not sure how else it would work—if the scroll bar is persistent it will persistently cover your content.

by nkmnz 9mo ago

bschwindHN 9mo ago

It should, unfortunately apple doesn't believe the same I suppose. I'm lucky enough that I'm happy with their defaults and don't spend much time thinking about tweaking stuff on my computers, but I can understand it being super frustrating if you're not okay with the available settings.

nkmnz 9mo ago
Yeah. Defaults should make the details of the system go out of the user's way, for >95% of the users, >95% of their time. The remaining <5% of users are power users and hackers, and the remaining <5% of usage are strong taste and individual hacks.

Wowfunhappy 9mo ago

> but I also think a scrollbar should be completely configurable userland behavior. It is configurable, right in System Preferences > General. (Or I guess it's "Settings" now on modern systems, don't know what menu it's in there.)

nkmnz 9mo ago
Based on some discussions of users that have already downloaded Tahoe, I was under the impression that this is no longer possible? Also, I think it’s not possible to have the scroll bar outside of the window instead of overlaying some content.
- Wowfunhappy 9mo ago
  Hmm. I haven't used Tahoe myself, but this piece by John Gruber would seem to imply the option still exists. Maybe it got moved? https://daringfireball.net/linked/2026/01/12/macos-26-cut-corner https://daringfireball.net/linked/2026/01/12/macos-26-cut-co...
  - nkmnz 9mo ago
    I dread the day I must find out :) P.S.: seems like the setting still keeps the scroll bar on top of the windows content (e.g. a website), not outside of the content.
    - Wowfunhappy 9mo ago
      Traditionally the setting has moved the scroll bar outside of content. I can’t say for sure what they’ve done in Tahoe, but I’m not sure how else it would work—if the scroll bar is persistent it will persistently cover your content.