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Locking people up for crimes is different from locking them up because they are your political opponents. I don't think I've seen people on the left yelling abo

by davidw 9mo ago

Locking people up for crimes is different from locking them up because they are your political opponents. I don't think I've seen people on the left yelling about locking Mitch McConnell up, for instance, even if he bears much responsibility for all of this.

gruez 9mo ago
>Locking people up for crimes is different from locking them up because they are your political opponents. I thought they were upset about her emails or whatever?
- dd8601fn 9mo ago
  I think that's the point. None could name a crime, and that didn't matter. Meanwhile, 34 actual felony convictions, court finding misuse of millions in charity funds, an attempted coup, being found liable for sexual assault, SCOTUS having to formally place the president above the law to avoid prosecution... none of it even moved the needle for those same folks. None of it is about law and order.
  - gruez 9mo ago
    >I think that's the point. None could name a crime, and that didn't matter. From a 10s skim on wikipedia: >Some experts, officials, and members of Congress contended that Clinton's use of a private email system and a private server violated federal law, specifically 18 U.S. Code § 1924, regarding the unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or materials, as well as State Department protocols and procedures, and regulations governing recordkeeping. I'm not saying those allegations are true, but to claim "none could name a crime" suggests you didn't even try. >Meanwhile, 34 actual felony convictions, court finding misuse of millions in charity funds, an attempted coup, being found liable for sexual assault, SCOTUS having to formally place the president above the law to avoid prosecution... none of it even moved the needle for those same folks. If you're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Donald_Trump_in_New_York https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Donald_Trump_in..., that has the same air of credibility as him going after Fed governors for mortgage fraud.
    - immibis 9mo ago
      It's clearly a rationalisation. Nobody is rabidly averse to private email servers and calling for prison for every politician who used a private email server. It's Hillary specifically. Whereas everyone thinks that all child rapists should be in prison!
      - ben_w 9mo ago
        > It's clearly a rationalisation. Nobody is rabidly averse to private email servers and calling for prison for every politician who used a private email server. It's Hillary specifically. I think the world would be a better place if politicians with access to critical information were held to suitable security requirements under threats of punishment for laxity. This would absolutely also include Hesgeth inviting a journalist to an airstrike planning meeting on Signal. And likewise Trump putting boxes full of state secrets in a disused bathroom and on a stage. The Trump administration are clearly hypocrites, clearly trying to throw the book at everyone else while bemoaning even the slightest consequences for themselves. I wouldn't call for Clinton's arrest, but I will say that anywhere that would arrest her should've given a much more severe punishment to Trump. Then again, I'm not even American so I genuinely don't actually care if y'all leak state secrets like a basketball net leaks water.

by davidw 9mo ago

gruez 9mo ago

>Locking people up for crimes is different from locking them up because they are your political opponents. I thought they were upset about her emails or whatever?

dd8601fn 9mo ago
I think that's the point. None could name a crime, and that didn't matter. Meanwhile, 34 actual felony convictions, court finding misuse of millions in charity funds, an attempted coup, being found liable for sexual assault, SCOTUS having to formally place the president above the law to avoid prosecution... none of it even moved the needle for those same folks. None of it is about law and order.
- gruez 9mo ago
  >I think that's the point. None could name a crime, and that didn't matter. From a 10s skim on wikipedia: >Some experts, officials, and members of Congress contended that Clinton's use of a private email system and a private server violated federal law, specifically 18 U.S. Code § 1924, regarding the unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or materials, as well as State Department protocols and procedures, and regulations governing recordkeeping. I'm not saying those allegations are true, but to claim "none could name a crime" suggests you didn't even try. >Meanwhile, 34 actual felony convictions, court finding misuse of millions in charity funds, an attempted coup, being found liable for sexual assault, SCOTUS having to formally place the president above the law to avoid prosecution... none of it even moved the needle for those same folks. If you're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Donald_Trump_in_New_York https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Donald_Trump_in..., that has the same air of credibility as him going after Fed governors for mortgage fraud.
  - immibis 9mo ago
    It's clearly a rationalisation. Nobody is rabidly averse to private email servers and calling for prison for every politician who used a private email server. It's Hillary specifically. Whereas everyone thinks that all child rapists should be in prison!
    - ben_w 9mo ago
      > It's clearly a rationalisation. Nobody is rabidly averse to private email servers and calling for prison for every politician who used a private email server. It's Hillary specifically. I think the world would be a better place if politicians with access to critical information were held to suitable security requirements under threats of punishment for laxity. This would absolutely also include Hesgeth inviting a journalist to an airstrike planning meeting on Signal. And likewise Trump putting boxes full of state secrets in a disused bathroom and on a stage. The Trump administration are clearly hypocrites, clearly trying to throw the book at everyone else while bemoaning even the slightest consequences for themselves. I wouldn't call for Clinton's arrest, but I will say that anywhere that would arrest her should've given a much more severe punishment to Trump. Then again, I'm not even American so I genuinely don't actually care if y'all leak state secrets like a basketball net leaks water.