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Keep in mind, that $25k AUD is just $16600. And for that price, you're getting a real car with driver-assist features and a reasonable crash safety rating. The
by cyberax 10mo ago
Keep in mind, that $25k AUD is just $16600. And for that price, you're getting a real car with driver-assist features and a reasonable crash safety rating.
The US car manufacturers are cooked.
- aetherspawn 10mo agoI heard from a friend he paid around $12k AUD for the cheapest new ICE car, Holden brand, which I guess proves the west can compete if they try? Edit: Holden Spark.
- jhy 10mo agoNew? You haven't been able to buy a new Holden since '21.
- AnotherGoodName 10mo agoWell the best comparison are the Teslas which are made in China (all Teslas sold in Australia today) vs Teslas made in the USA. For the model 3 it’s USD$8000 cheaper like for like.
- pityJuke 10mo agoThe Holden Spark appears to just be a re-badge of a Chevrolet Spark, which was made by their South Korean subsidiary, and was discontinued three years ago [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Spark#Discontinuation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Spark#Discontinuatio...
- vmchale 10mo ago> The US car manufacturers are cooked. Biden put a 100% tariff on Chinese cars and then Trump added tariffs on inputs. Americans are getting screwed!
- plemer 10mo agoWe in the US can't hide forever.
- intrasight 10mo agoForever is a long time. Once FSD, we will make rules about the software that will have the effect of excluding Chinese companies. I seriously doubt that I'll see Chinese cars here in my lifetime.
- vmchale 10mo agoCool, we can be like Cuba except we did it to ourselves
- g947o 10mo agoUS manufacturers are going to be ok as long as there are policies banning foreign cars and there are tariffs, which is going to be true for a long time. And somehow US consumers feel comfortable paying more for worse cars.
- senti_sentient 10mo agoI had family friends visiting Australia from USA and they were surprised by the sheer number and varieties of Chinese cars on our roads. I too have a BYD Dolphin and Shark, they loved them and felt they’re missing out big time on this. Mind you we have lots of Teslas on the roads as well, but they are bleeding their lead.
- AnotherGoodName 10mo agoThose Teslas in Australia are Chinese made too of course as are the majority of Teslas globally. USA made really doesn’t exist at all in Australia. It’s merely USA branded. Even the Ford Ranger that’s sold in Australia is made in Thailand.
- senti_sentient 10mo agoTrue true… isn’t the LFP battery pack in model 3 and and Y supplied by BYD as well?
- archagon 10mo agoHow’s the charging infrastructure these days?
- senti_sentient 10mo agoIt’s improving in Australia, but no where near where it needs to be.
- cyberax 10mo agoThis can't last indefinitely. At some point, the contrast between the US-made and Chinese-made cars will become too great to ignore. We saw that during the 80-s, with the Japanese cars.
- WheatMillington 10mo agoUS manufacturers are fine because the US has a long history of economic protectionism. These cars are effectively banned in the US due to tariffs which protect US automakers.
- intrasight 10mo agoMore importantly, the US will ban Chinese automation tech. Which is just fine by me. But I drive a 10 year old car. Tariffs alone can't keep out cheap foreign products.
- latch 10mo agoAren't you missing something? Gemini tells me that non-NA market makes up 33% of Ford's sales, and 51% of GMs. So a better way to put it is "protects US automakers in the US." And that assumes NA manufacturers would be unaffected by declining sales abroad.
- rootusrootus 10mo agoI think it's a little early to make that claim. Jim Farley is definitely paying attention, for example. He drove a Chinese EV for a year, IIRC, and on many occasions talked bout the challenges of competing with them. I don't know what the real barrier to success will be, but I don't think it will be blindness. It may be difficulty competing on labor cost, but that's a good case for carefully applied tariffs to keep competition fair.
- LgWoodenBadger 10mo agoFord just cancelled their F150 Lightning
- TitaRusell 10mo agoWhat is unfair about lower labor costs?
- uyzstvqs 10mo agoThat's because it's predatory pricing. If these cars are to be sold in western markets, there needs to be strong regulation. Absolutely no digital data connections, for starters.
- m4ck_ 10mo agothat should really apply to all vehicles, because I'm pretty sure there isn't a new vehicle on the market in the US that doesn't have surveillance tech built in.
- uyzstvqs 10mo agoAbsolutely. But this has an extra layer of urgency. Their entire goal is to be able to remotely turn off all of our infrastructure, which is handy leverage if you're looking to do things like invading a certain island nation.