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Of all the Linux features to copy, they chose this.

Nextgrid 9mo ago
Shortly after Windows 10 came out I was joking that Microsoft finally made a Linux distribution (by replicating all the jankiness we usually associate with it). Now I guess it's Apple's turn.
Rygian 9mo ago
Wait, they implemented Alt-Drag/Right drag?
- chungy 9mo ago
  I believe the parent is referring to how GNOME 3.0 had some really bad resizing grabs. Single-pixel widths at the edges, and almost impossible to hit corners. Latter versions significantly improved it.
  - jasonvorhe 9mo ago
    Has been a major issue for me with Xfce and Gnome over the years, mostly just switched window managers.
    - jwrallie 9mo ago
      Xfce is just ridiculous, it has 1px thin area to grab, and last time I checked they just mentioned you should use alt right click instead.
      - ginko 9mo ago
        I was about to suggest Xfce as an example where window resizing is effortless due to the <super>+<right click> behavior. You can just grab the rough sector of a window to resize it. Any reason why you're not using it?
        jwrallie 9mo ago
        I do! I even miss it when I use other systems. I just think the original problem could be fixed for people that does not know about the shortcut.
- duskwuff 9mo ago
  Sort of! Cmd + Ctrl + drag moves windows now.
OGEnthusiast 9mo ago
I actually wish macOS would clone Alt-dragging from anywhere to drag and Alt-right clicking to resize from anywhere from Linux (at least GNOME and KDE Plasma have this built-in). That would certainly solve most of the complaints in the original post.
- duskwuff 9mo ago
  macOS has Cmd + Ctrl + drag to move windows. Alt + drag seems unlikely given that it's already often used for "copy" actions.
  - OGEnthusiast 9mo ago
    I just tried that on Tahoe (26.2) and it didn't drag the window with Ctrl+Cmd+drag. Is it supposed to work on all windows?
    - duskwuff 9mo ago
      Oddly, the one thing it doesn't work on for me is the main area of the System Preferences window. Everything else I've tried seems to work, though.
    - trymas 9mo ago
      It's sort of hidden feature (I could bet that before "system preferences.app" redesign you could have found it there, but I don't see it anymore). This comment explains how to do it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46585551 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46585551
flohofwoe 9mo ago
KDE doesn't actually suffer from this problem.
hayleox 9mo ago
*GNOME features, not Linux features. No such issues over here on KDE. I have often felt like GNOME is the most Apple-y of desktop environments; they're very form over function. Not surprising to me at all that both would pick a design that seems beautiful until you try to use it.
- pwg 9mo ago
  Indeed, no such "invisible drag areas" here either using just FVWM2.

Shortly after Windows 10 came out I was joking that Microsoft finally made a Linux distribution (by replicating all the jankiness we usually associate with it). Now I guess it's Apple's turn.

Rygian 9mo ago

Wait, they implemented Alt-Drag/Right drag?

chungy 9mo ago
I believe the parent is referring to how GNOME 3.0 had some really bad resizing grabs. Single-pixel widths at the edges, and almost impossible to hit corners. Latter versions significantly improved it.
- jasonvorhe 9mo ago
  Has been a major issue for me with Xfce and Gnome over the years, mostly just switched window managers.
  - jwrallie 9mo ago
    Xfce is just ridiculous, it has 1px thin area to grab, and last time I checked they just mentioned you should use alt right click instead.
    - ginko 9mo ago
      I was about to suggest Xfce as an example where window resizing is effortless due to the <super>+<right click> behavior. You can just grab the rough sector of a window to resize it. Any reason why you're not using it?
      - jwrallie 9mo ago
        I do! I even miss it when I use other systems. I just think the original problem could be fixed for people that does not know about the shortcut.
duskwuff 9mo ago
Sort of! Cmd + Ctrl + drag moves windows now.

OGEnthusiast 9mo ago

I actually wish macOS would clone Alt-dragging from anywhere to drag and Alt-right clicking to resize from anywhere from Linux (at least GNOME and KDE Plasma have this built-in). That would certainly solve most of the complaints in the original post.

duskwuff 9mo ago
macOS has Cmd + Ctrl + drag to move windows. Alt + drag seems unlikely given that it's already often used for "copy" actions.
- OGEnthusiast 9mo ago
  I just tried that on Tahoe (26.2) and it didn't drag the window with Ctrl+Cmd+drag. Is it supposed to work on all windows?
  - duskwuff 9mo ago
    Oddly, the one thing it doesn't work on for me is the main area of the System Preferences window. Everything else I've tried seems to work, though.
  - trymas 9mo ago
    It's sort of hidden feature (I could bet that before "system preferences.app" redesign you could have found it there, but I don't see it anymore). This comment explains how to do it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46585551 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46585551

flohofwoe 9mo ago

KDE doesn't actually suffer from this problem.

hayleox 9mo ago

*GNOME features, not Linux features. No such issues over here on KDE. I have often felt like GNOME is the most Apple-y of desktop environments; they're very form over function. Not surprising to me at all that both would pick a design that seems beautiful until you try to use it.

pwg 9mo ago
Indeed, no such "invisible drag areas" here either using just FVWM2.