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Opencode is much better anyway and it doesnt change its workflow every couple weeks.

whimsicalism 9mo ago
i find cursor cli significantly better than opencode right now, unfortunately. e: for those downvoting, i would earnestly like to hear your thoughts. i want opencode and similar solutions to win.
fgonzag 9mo ago
Yeah, honestly this is a bad move on anthropic's part. I don't think their moat is as big as they think it is. They are competing against opencode + ACP + every other model out there, and there are quite a few good ones (even open weight ones). Opus might be currently the best model out there, and CC might be the best tool out of the commercial alternatives, but once someone switches to open code + multiple model providers depending on the task, they are going to have difficulty winning them back considering pricing and their locked down ecosystem. I went from max 20x and chatgpt pro to Claude pro and chat gpt plus + open router providers, and I have now cancelled Claude pro and gpt plus, keeping only Gemini pro (super cheap) and using open router models + a local ai workstation I built using minimax m2.1 and glam 4.7. I use Gemini as the planner and my local models as the churners. Works great, the local models might not be as good as opus 4.5 or sonnet 4.7, but they are consistent which is something I had been missing with all commercial providers.
- whimsicalism 9mo ago
  disagree. it is much better for anthropic to bundle than to become 'just another model provider' to opencode/other routers. as a consumer, i do absolutely prefer the latter model - but i don't think that is the position I would want to be in if I were anthropic.
  - behnamoh 9mo ago
    Nah, Anthropic thinks they have a moat; this is classic Apple move, but they ain't Apple.
    - whimsicalism 9mo ago
      they do have a moat. opus is currently much better than every other model except maybe gpt-5.2
      - deaux 9mo ago
        At using tools, sure. If Gemini 3 Pro GA is good at tool use, the moat is gone.
- Scarbutt 9mo ago
  a local ai workstation Peak HN comment
- oblio 9mo ago
  > I went from max 20x and chatgpt pro to Claude pro and chat gpt plus + open router providers, and I have now cancelled Claude pro and gpt plus, keeping only Gemini pro (super cheap) and using open router models + a local ai workstation I built using minimax m2.1 and glam 4.7. I use Gemini as the planner and my local models as the churners. Works great, the local models might not be as good as opus 4.5 or sonnet 4.7, but they are consistent which is something I had been missing with all commercial providers. You went from a 5 minute signup (and 20-200 bucks per month) to probably weeks of research (or prior experience setting up workstations) and probably days of setup. Also probably a few thousand bucks in hardware. I mean, that's great, but tech companies are a thing because convenience is a thing.
  - falloutx 9mo ago
    On opencode you can use models which are free for unlimited use and you can pick models which only cost like $15 a month for unlimited use.
    - oblio 9mo ago
      OP mentioned a local LLM rig plus a rather complex setup from what I understood (I could be wrong). Also, most of the lower end models aren't that good. At this point you can take an experienced dev and start implementing an app using any mature stack (I'm talking even about stuff like Ada, so not just C/C++, JS, etc) on any mainstream platform (big 3 desktop + big 2 mobile + web) and you can get quite far with Claude Code. By far I mean you'll at least do the 80% really quickly, at which point the "experienced dev" needs to take over. I think you can even get 95% of the way there. And that's with a stack that the dev is unfamiliar with at the start.
      - falloutx 9mo ago
        Claude code has aggressive limits on $18/month plan. You can get much farther with Minimax 2.1 or Qwen3 on the same amount of money. I have noticed opus is much better in some scenarios but Minimax and Q3 are not as bad or behind. Or my setup is now too used to the quirks of those models, who knows. I am using Claude Haiku as small model anyway, just not using Opus because it burns credits very quickly.
rglullis 9mo ago
I signed up to Claude Pro when I figured out I could use it on opencode, so I could start things on Sonnet/Opus on plan mode and switch to cheaper models on build mode. Now that I can't do that, I will probably just cancel my subscription and do the dance between different hosted providers during plan phase and ask for a prompt to feed into opencode afterwards.
- exitb 9mo ago
  As of yesterday OpenAI seems to explicitly allow opencode on their subscription plans.
  - akmarinov 9mo ago
    Also GPT 5.2 is better than slOpus
    - sudonem 9mo ago
      Subjective.
    - gverrilla 9mo ago
      Not in my expericence. Gpt 5.2 acts like a desperate teenager, while opus acts like a composed adult - most of the times.
  - rglullis 9mo ago
    Yeah, but that would mean me giving money to Sam Altman, and that ain't happening.
  - hdra 9mo ago
    can you point me to this claim? also last i checked trying to connect to OpenAI seems to prompt for an API key, does openAI's API key make use of the subscription quota? just wanted to make sure before I sign up for a openAI sub
    - azuanrb 9mo ago
behnamoh 9mo ago
I like how I can cycle through agents in OpenCode using tab. In CC all my messages get interpreted by the "main" agent; so summoning a specific agent still wastes main agent's tokens. In OpenCode, I can tab and suddenly I'm talking to a different agent; no more "main agent" bs.
- fourthark 9mo ago
  Maybe not quite as simple but you can save and /resume lots of sessions in CC and switch between them quickly.
  - behnamoh 9mo ago
    I thought of that! but CC is so clunky and slow that it doesn't make sense to do this. with codex cli tho, that's a totally different story cause it's written in Rust.
CyberShadow 9mo ago
PSA - please ensure you are running OpenCode v1.1.10 or newer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46581095 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46581095

i find cursor cli significantly better than opencode right now, unfortunately. e: for those downvoting, i would earnestly like to hear your thoughts. i want opencode and similar solutions to win.

fgonzag 9mo ago

Yeah, honestly this is a bad move on anthropic's part. I don't think their moat is as big as they think it is. They are competing against opencode + ACP + every other model out there, and there are quite a few good ones (even open weight ones). Opus might be currently the best model out there, and CC might be the best tool out of the commercial alternatives, but once someone switches to open code + multiple model providers depending on the task, they are going to have difficulty winning them back considering pricing and their locked down ecosystem. I went from max 20x and chatgpt pro to Claude pro and chat gpt plus + open router providers, and I have now cancelled Claude pro and gpt plus, keeping only Gemini pro (super cheap) and using open router models + a local ai workstation I built using minimax m2.1 and glam 4.7. I use Gemini as the planner and my local models as the churners. Works great, the local models might not be as good as opus 4.5 or sonnet 4.7, but they are consistent which is something I had been missing with all commercial providers.

whimsicalism 9mo ago
disagree. it is much better for anthropic to bundle than to become 'just another model provider' to opencode/other routers. as a consumer, i do absolutely prefer the latter model - but i don't think that is the position I would want to be in if I were anthropic.
- behnamoh 9mo ago
  Nah, Anthropic thinks they have a moat; this is classic Apple move, but they ain't Apple.
  - whimsicalism 9mo ago
    they do have a moat. opus is currently much better than every other model except maybe gpt-5.2
    - deaux 9mo ago
      At using tools, sure. If Gemini 3 Pro GA is good at tool use, the moat is gone.
Scarbutt 9mo ago
a local ai workstation Peak HN comment
oblio 9mo ago
> I went from max 20x and chatgpt pro to Claude pro and chat gpt plus + open router providers, and I have now cancelled Claude pro and gpt plus, keeping only Gemini pro (super cheap) and using open router models + a local ai workstation I built using minimax m2.1 and glam 4.7. I use Gemini as the planner and my local models as the churners. Works great, the local models might not be as good as opus 4.5 or sonnet 4.7, but they are consistent which is something I had been missing with all commercial providers. You went from a 5 minute signup (and 20-200 bucks per month) to probably weeks of research (or prior experience setting up workstations) and probably days of setup. Also probably a few thousand bucks in hardware. I mean, that's great, but tech companies are a thing because convenience is a thing.
- falloutx 9mo ago
  On opencode you can use models which are free for unlimited use and you can pick models which only cost like $15 a month for unlimited use.
  - oblio 9mo ago
    OP mentioned a local LLM rig plus a rather complex setup from what I understood (I could be wrong). Also, most of the lower end models aren't that good. At this point you can take an experienced dev and start implementing an app using any mature stack (I'm talking even about stuff like Ada, so not just C/C++, JS, etc) on any mainstream platform (big 3 desktop + big 2 mobile + web) and you can get quite far with Claude Code. By far I mean you'll at least do the 80% really quickly, at which point the "experienced dev" needs to take over. I think you can even get 95% of the way there. And that's with a stack that the dev is unfamiliar with at the start.
    - falloutx 9mo ago
      Claude code has aggressive limits on $18/month plan. You can get much farther with Minimax 2.1 or Qwen3 on the same amount of money. I have noticed opus is much better in some scenarios but Minimax and Q3 are not as bad or behind. Or my setup is now too used to the quirks of those models, who knows. I am using Claude Haiku as small model anyway, just not using Opus because it burns credits very quickly.

rglullis 9mo ago

I signed up to Claude Pro when I figured out I could use it on opencode, so I could start things on Sonnet/Opus on plan mode and switch to cheaper models on build mode. Now that I can't do that, I will probably just cancel my subscription and do the dance between different hosted providers during plan phase and ask for a prompt to feed into opencode afterwards.

exitb 9mo ago
As of yesterday OpenAI seems to explicitly allow opencode on their subscription plans.
- akmarinov 9mo ago
  Also GPT 5.2 is better than slOpus
  - sudonem 9mo ago
    Subjective.
  - gverrilla 9mo ago
    Not in my expericence. Gpt 5.2 acts like a desperate teenager, while opus acts like a composed adult - most of the times.
- rglullis 9mo ago
  Yeah, but that would mean me giving money to Sam Altman, and that ain't happening.
- hdra 9mo ago
  can you point me to this claim? also last i checked trying to connect to OpenAI seems to prompt for an API key, does openAI's API key make use of the subscription quota? just wanted to make sure before I sign up for a openAI sub
  - azuanrb 9mo ago

behnamoh 9mo ago

I like how I can cycle through agents in OpenCode using tab. In CC all my messages get interpreted by the "main" agent; so summoning a specific agent still wastes main agent's tokens. In OpenCode, I can tab and suddenly I'm talking to a different agent; no more "main agent" bs.

fourthark 9mo ago
Maybe not quite as simple but you can save and /resume lots of sessions in CC and switch between them quickly.
- behnamoh 9mo ago
  I thought of that! but CC is so clunky and slow that it doesn't make sense to do this. with codex cli tho, that's a totally different story cause it's written in Rust.

CyberShadow 9mo ago

PSA - please ensure you are running OpenCode v1.1.10 or newer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46581095 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46581095