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Don’t forget, in the matrix that the humans tried to stop the robots by blocking solar power Ultimately though since machines are more capable of large scale c

Don’t forget, in the matrix that the humans tried to stop the robots by blocking solar power Ultimately though since machines are more capable of large scale coordination than humans, and are built to learn from humans other humans will inevitably find a way around this and the machines will learn that too

analog8374 10mo ago
Humans can turn observation into symbol. I don't think that machines can do that. At least not without consulting a dictionary or a lookup table or an algorithm written by a human. That's important I think. Also, I hear that in the original Matrix, the humans were used for performing processes that machines were incapable of. I dunno, clever number generation or something. And then they dumbed that down into coppertops for the rabble.
- AndrewKemendo 10mo ago
  And you don’t believe that there’s ever going to be a time in any future ever, when a group of machines is going to autonomously challenge or coerce an individual human or group of humans?
  - analog8374 10mo ago
    It's a machine. It by definition lacks autonomy. The act may be circuiticiously arrived at, but still. Somebody has to write and run the program.
    - AndrewKemendo 10mo ago
      That kind of dodges my question. I’ll repeat it: Is there any time in the future where you believe a machine or set of machines could measurably out perform a human to the degree that they can coerce or overpower them with no human intervention?
      - analog8374 10mo ago
        (Ya sure, because repeating yourself is always so helpful) well, leaving the "with no human intervention" part, which is a bit fuzzy. Ya sure. AI can already contrive erudite bs arguments at a moment's notice, sell stuff pretty good and shoot guns with great accuracy. Do you?
        AndrewKemendo 10mo ago
        Yes I do So, given that we agree that there will be superhuman robotic systems; would you disagree that such a system, at scale, would be impossible to overcome for human or group of humans?
        analog8374 10mo ago
        Ya don't say. Just state your big hypothesis already.

analog8374 10mo ago

Humans can turn observation into symbol. I don't think that machines can do that. At least not without consulting a dictionary or a lookup table or an algorithm written by a human. That's important I think. Also, I hear that in the original Matrix, the humans were used for performing processes that machines were incapable of. I dunno, clever number generation or something. And then they dumbed that down into coppertops for the rabble.

AndrewKemendo 10mo ago
And you don’t believe that there’s ever going to be a time in any future ever, when a group of machines is going to autonomously challenge or coerce an individual human or group of humans?
- analog8374 10mo ago
  It's a machine. It by definition lacks autonomy. The act may be circuiticiously arrived at, but still. Somebody has to write and run the program.
  - AndrewKemendo 10mo ago
    That kind of dodges my question. I’ll repeat it: Is there any time in the future where you believe a machine or set of machines could measurably out perform a human to the degree that they can coerce or overpower them with no human intervention?
    - analog8374 10mo ago
      (Ya sure, because repeating yourself is always so helpful) well, leaving the "with no human intervention" part, which is a bit fuzzy. Ya sure. AI can already contrive erudite bs arguments at a moment's notice, sell stuff pretty good and shoot guns with great accuracy. Do you?
      - AndrewKemendo 10mo ago
        Yes I do So, given that we agree that there will be superhuman robotic systems; would you disagree that such a system, at scale, would be impossible to overcome for human or group of humans?
        analog8374 10mo ago
        Ya don't say. Just state your big hypothesis already.