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Unfortunately Mac hardware is a huge leap ahead of anything else.

raffael_de 9mo ago
Most of those advantages are practically irrelevant for the majority of users or a matter of having gotten used to things being a certain way.
- School-Cotton 9mo ago
  That just isn't true. Battery life, for example, is definitely not irrelevant for most users.
  - raffael_de 9mo ago
    Most people sit at their desk with the laptop plugged into the socket and use the battery for meetings or in a cafeteria. Either takes maybe an hour or two, three hours tops.
    - mystifyingpoi 9mo ago
      So what? Most people don't care about battery, so let's just have a crap battery? That argument would work, if Apple released a super light laptop with a tiny battery, specially made for "most people who sit at their desk". No, people do care about battery life. That's where Macs excel. (I'm saying this as a Thinkpad user, where getting 6-8hrs of battery is doable, if you don't do anything on the laptop).
      - raffael_de 9mo ago
        my point is that foregoing a superior OS for reasons that are only relevant on paper is not logical.
        mystifyingpoi 9mo ago
        Sure, there are pros and cons for everything. It also depends on circumstances. I remember in 2012 I'd dim the screen and play with cpufreqd to get maximum time out of a battery, because I had a 3h train ride to my university weekly, with no power sockets most of the time on the train. I barely could do 3h. Today, in age of cheap PD powerbanks and USB-C everywhere, I'd easily take a better OS over battery life.
  - osigurdson 9mo ago
    Mac battery life is insane - I agree. It is very impressive what they have done. Still, I prefer my ThinkPad running Arch even though it probably has 1/2 the battery life of my Macbook.
- kortilla 9mo ago
  No, the touchpad alone puts it way above every laptop I’ve tried
  - raffael_de 9mo ago
    The touchpad is great, yes, I like it, too. But I'm anyway mostly using mouse and keyboard and occasionally the 3-finger-swipe which is possible with Thinkpad+Linux as well since a few years. Thinkpads are also famous for their touchpad/trackpoint if one doesn't fancy using a mouse.
    - nottorp 9mo ago
      > I'm anyway mostly using mouse and keyboard Have you considered that you're using the mouse because the touchpad doesn't work as well on any other OS? It's not the hardware, it's the software somehow that makes the touchpad usable in Mac OS.
      - raffael_de 9mo ago
        i have been using macbooks for many years as that's usually the only corporate option next to thinkpad+windows. and i definitely prefer a logitech mouse.
        nottorp 9mo ago
        Steelseries not good? Razer? Microsoft?

Most of those advantages are practically irrelevant for the majority of users or a matter of having gotten used to things being a certain way.

School-Cotton 9mo ago
That just isn't true. Battery life, for example, is definitely not irrelevant for most users.
- raffael_de 9mo ago
  Most people sit at their desk with the laptop plugged into the socket and use the battery for meetings or in a cafeteria. Either takes maybe an hour or two, three hours tops.
  - mystifyingpoi 9mo ago
    So what? Most people don't care about battery, so let's just have a crap battery? That argument would work, if Apple released a super light laptop with a tiny battery, specially made for "most people who sit at their desk". No, people do care about battery life. That's where Macs excel. (I'm saying this as a Thinkpad user, where getting 6-8hrs of battery is doable, if you don't do anything on the laptop).
    - raffael_de 9mo ago
      my point is that foregoing a superior OS for reasons that are only relevant on paper is not logical.
      - mystifyingpoi 9mo ago
        Sure, there are pros and cons for everything. It also depends on circumstances. I remember in 2012 I'd dim the screen and play with cpufreqd to get maximum time out of a battery, because I had a 3h train ride to my university weekly, with no power sockets most of the time on the train. I barely could do 3h. Today, in age of cheap PD powerbanks and USB-C everywhere, I'd easily take a better OS over battery life.
- osigurdson 9mo ago
  Mac battery life is insane - I agree. It is very impressive what they have done. Still, I prefer my ThinkPad running Arch even though it probably has 1/2 the battery life of my Macbook.
kortilla 9mo ago
No, the touchpad alone puts it way above every laptop I’ve tried
- raffael_de 9mo ago
  The touchpad is great, yes, I like it, too. But I'm anyway mostly using mouse and keyboard and occasionally the 3-finger-swipe which is possible with Thinkpad+Linux as well since a few years. Thinkpads are also famous for their touchpad/trackpoint if one doesn't fancy using a mouse.
  - nottorp 9mo ago
    > I'm anyway mostly using mouse and keyboard Have you considered that you're using the mouse because the touchpad doesn't work as well on any other OS? It's not the hardware, it's the software somehow that makes the touchpad usable in Mac OS.
    - raffael_de 9mo ago
      i have been using macbooks for many years as that's usually the only corporate option next to thinkpad+windows. and i definitely prefer a logitech mouse.
      - nottorp 9mo ago
        Steelseries not good? Razer? Microsoft?