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I don't know about the "you should too" part. I use Arch, it works fine for me but I am patient and want to use it. Realistically, I would expect the largest mi

I don't know about the "you should too" part. I use Arch, it works fine for me but I am patient and want to use it. Realistically, I would expect the largest migration should be devs switching from mac to Linux. I don't see any reason at all to use a mac for development anymore.

School-Cotton 9mo ago
Unfortunately Mac hardware is a huge leap ahead of anything else.
- raffael_de 9mo ago
  Most of those advantages are practically irrelevant for the majority of users or a matter of having gotten used to things being a certain way.
  - School-Cotton 9mo ago
    That just isn't true. Battery life, for example, is definitely not irrelevant for most users.
    - raffael_de 9mo ago
      Most people sit at their desk with the laptop plugged into the socket and use the battery for meetings or in a cafeteria. Either takes maybe an hour or two, three hours tops.
      - mystifyingpoi 9mo ago
        So what? Most people don't care about battery, so let's just have a crap battery? That argument would work, if Apple released a super light laptop with a tiny battery, specially made for "most people who sit at their desk". No, people do care about battery life. That's where Macs excel. (I'm saying this as a Thinkpad user, where getting 6-8hrs of battery is doable, if you don't do anything on the laptop).
        raffael_de 9mo ago
        my point is that foregoing a superior OS for reasons that are only relevant on paper is not logical.
        mystifyingpoi 9mo ago
        Sure, there are pros and cons for everything. It also depends on circumstances. I remember in 2012 I'd dim the screen and play with cpufreqd to get maximum time out of a battery, because I had a 3h train ride to my university weekly, with no power sockets most of the time on the train. I barely could do 3h. Today, in age of cheap PD powerbanks and USB-C everywhere, I'd easily take a better OS over battery life.
    - osigurdson 9mo ago
      Mac battery life is insane - I agree. It is very impressive what they have done. Still, I prefer my ThinkPad running Arch even though it probably has 1/2 the battery life of my Macbook.
  - kortilla 9mo ago
    No, the touchpad alone puts it way above every laptop I’ve tried
    - raffael_de 9mo ago
      The touchpad is great, yes, I like it, too. But I'm anyway mostly using mouse and keyboard and occasionally the 3-finger-swipe which is possible with Thinkpad+Linux as well since a few years. Thinkpads are also famous for their touchpad/trackpoint if one doesn't fancy using a mouse.
      - nottorp 9mo ago
        > I'm anyway mostly using mouse and keyboard Have you considered that you're using the mouse because the touchpad doesn't work as well on any other OS? It's not the hardware, it's the software somehow that makes the touchpad usable in Mac OS.
        raffael_de 9mo ago
        i have been using macbooks for many years as that's usually the only corporate option next to thinkpad+windows. and i definitely prefer a logitech mouse.
        nottorp 9mo ago
        Steelseries not good? Razer? Microsoft?
GlacierFox 9mo ago
Has apple severely degraded the developer experience on MacOS recently or something?
- osigurdson 9mo ago
  You may not need it but no kernel support for containers / cgroups is a deal breaker for me. Windows at least makes an attempt with WSL. But, at the end of the day, most things are just about rationalizing what you want to use. I personally identify with Linux tribe, not Mac tribe therefore that is what I want to use.
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  - GlacierFox 9mo ago
    I had no idea there was no kernel support for containers. I use containers a lot now but haven't used MacOS in years. Thanks for the info. (Fedora/ Windows user myself)
tacone 9mo ago
Omarchy is a nice experience for devs. Funnily enough, though, you can get a very user friendly experience using Niri and Dank Linux (don't remember the exact name). It takes two 3 CLI commands to install, and the top bar incredibly cool, compared to the i3 defaults and even to what I remember of Gnome and KDE. Next up: somebody comes up with a desktop environment called BTW.

School-Cotton 9mo ago

Unfortunately Mac hardware is a huge leap ahead of anything else.

raffael_de 9mo ago
Most of those advantages are practically irrelevant for the majority of users or a matter of having gotten used to things being a certain way.
- School-Cotton 9mo ago
  That just isn't true. Battery life, for example, is definitely not irrelevant for most users.
  - raffael_de 9mo ago
    Most people sit at their desk with the laptop plugged into the socket and use the battery for meetings or in a cafeteria. Either takes maybe an hour or two, three hours tops.
    - mystifyingpoi 9mo ago
      So what? Most people don't care about battery, so let's just have a crap battery? That argument would work, if Apple released a super light laptop with a tiny battery, specially made for "most people who sit at their desk". No, people do care about battery life. That's where Macs excel. (I'm saying this as a Thinkpad user, where getting 6-8hrs of battery is doable, if you don't do anything on the laptop).
      - raffael_de 9mo ago
        my point is that foregoing a superior OS for reasons that are only relevant on paper is not logical.
        mystifyingpoi 9mo ago
        Sure, there are pros and cons for everything. It also depends on circumstances. I remember in 2012 I'd dim the screen and play with cpufreqd to get maximum time out of a battery, because I had a 3h train ride to my university weekly, with no power sockets most of the time on the train. I barely could do 3h. Today, in age of cheap PD powerbanks and USB-C everywhere, I'd easily take a better OS over battery life.
  - osigurdson 9mo ago
    Mac battery life is insane - I agree. It is very impressive what they have done. Still, I prefer my ThinkPad running Arch even though it probably has 1/2 the battery life of my Macbook.
- kortilla 9mo ago
  No, the touchpad alone puts it way above every laptop I’ve tried
  - raffael_de 9mo ago
    The touchpad is great, yes, I like it, too. But I'm anyway mostly using mouse and keyboard and occasionally the 3-finger-swipe which is possible with Thinkpad+Linux as well since a few years. Thinkpads are also famous for their touchpad/trackpoint if one doesn't fancy using a mouse.
    - nottorp 9mo ago
      > I'm anyway mostly using mouse and keyboard Have you considered that you're using the mouse because the touchpad doesn't work as well on any other OS? It's not the hardware, it's the software somehow that makes the touchpad usable in Mac OS.
      - raffael_de 9mo ago
        i have been using macbooks for many years as that's usually the only corporate option next to thinkpad+windows. and i definitely prefer a logitech mouse.
        nottorp 9mo ago
        Steelseries not good? Razer? Microsoft?

GlacierFox 9mo ago

Has apple severely degraded the developer experience on MacOS recently or something?

osigurdson 9mo ago
You may not need it but no kernel support for containers / cgroups is a deal breaker for me. Windows at least makes an attempt with WSL. But, at the end of the day, most things are just about rationalizing what you want to use. I personally identify with Linux tribe, not Mac tribe therefore that is what I want to use.
- deleted 9mo ago
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- GlacierFox 9mo ago
  I had no idea there was no kernel support for containers. I use containers a lot now but haven't used MacOS in years. Thanks for the info. (Fedora/ Windows user myself)

tacone 9mo ago

Omarchy is a nice experience for devs. Funnily enough, though, you can get a very user friendly experience using Niri and Dank Linux (don't remember the exact name). It takes two 3 CLI commands to install, and the top bar incredibly cool, compared to the i3 defaults and even to what I remember of Gnome and KDE. Next up: somebody comes up with a desktop environment called BTW.