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> if starlink wants to focus itself as the uncensorable internet in places like protests etc I’m not sure Musk would actually want that though, especially thes

by afavour 10mo ago

> if starlink wants to focus itself as the uncensorable internet in places like protests etc I’m not sure Musk would actually want that though, especially these days.

sawjet 10mo ago
Why not?
- Forgeties79 10mo ago
  Because Musk is a fickle, unethical individual with poor impulse control and too much money who only talks about high minded concepts like “free speech” and “battling censorship” when it serves his interests at that moment.
  - lostlogin 10mo ago
    You are correct. It’s interesting to watch how ‘free speech’ works on Twitter.
    - deleted 10mo ago
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- afavour 10mo ago
  Because his enthusiasm for free speech is variable depending on whether he likes the speech or not.
hcurtiss 10mo ago
Why not? Has Musk shut off Starlink? The reporting out of Ukraine was almost entirely wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russian-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russian-Ukrain...
- Forgeties79 10mo ago
  Nobody brought up Ukraine
- lostlogin 10mo ago
  From your link, with good sources: In 2022, Elon Musk denied a Ukrainian request to extend Starlink's coverage up to Russian-occupied Crimea during a counterattack on a Crimean port, from which Russia had been launching attacks against Ukrainian civilians; doing so would have violated US sanctions on Russia.[18] This event was widely reported in 2023, erroneously characterizing it as Musk "turning off" Starlink coverage in Crimea.[19][20] SpaceX executives repeatedly stated that Starlink needed to remain a civilian network;[21][22][12] in late 2022, as Starlink was being used as a tool in combat in Ukraine, SpaceX announced Starshield, a Starlink-like program designed for government customers.[23][21] Musk is reported to have said that Ukraine was "going too far" in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin.[24] Musk, like Trump, has an interesting relationship with Russia. The investigations into that have been quashed, so we don’t get to find out about the rumoured Kremlin calls he was making. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/business/dealbook/musk-putin-trump.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/business/dealbook/musk-pu...
  - exe34 10mo ago
    > doing so would have violated US sanctions on Russia. that made me laugh!
  - hcurtiss 10mo ago
    The allegation at the time was that he turned off Starlink. That was not true. He did not turn it on at Ukraine’s request because US law prohibited it.
    - lostlogin 10mo ago
      The current administration quashed the investigation into the contact he was having with Putin. So I guess we get to stick with your story. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0l3wl76gzo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0l3wl76gzo

by afavour 10mo ago

> if starlink wants to focus itself as the uncensorable internet in places like protests etc I’m not sure Musk would actually want that though, especially these days.

sawjet 10mo ago

Why not?

Forgeties79 10mo ago
Because Musk is a fickle, unethical individual with poor impulse control and too much money who only talks about high minded concepts like “free speech” and “battling censorship” when it serves his interests at that moment.
- lostlogin 10mo ago
  You are correct. It’s interesting to watch how ‘free speech’ works on Twitter.
  - deleted 10mo ago
    [deleted]
afavour 10mo ago
Because his enthusiasm for free speech is variable depending on whether he likes the speech or not.

hcurtiss 10mo ago

Why not? Has Musk shut off Starlink? The reporting out of Ukraine was almost entirely wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russian-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russian-Ukrain...

Forgeties79 10mo ago
Nobody brought up Ukraine
lostlogin 10mo ago
From your link, with good sources: In 2022, Elon Musk denied a Ukrainian request to extend Starlink's coverage up to Russian-occupied Crimea during a counterattack on a Crimean port, from which Russia had been launching attacks against Ukrainian civilians; doing so would have violated US sanctions on Russia.[18] This event was widely reported in 2023, erroneously characterizing it as Musk "turning off" Starlink coverage in Crimea.[19][20] SpaceX executives repeatedly stated that Starlink needed to remain a civilian network;[21][22][12] in late 2022, as Starlink was being used as a tool in combat in Ukraine, SpaceX announced Starshield, a Starlink-like program designed for government customers.[23][21] Musk is reported to have said that Ukraine was "going too far" in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin.[24] Musk, like Trump, has an interesting relationship with Russia. The investigations into that have been quashed, so we don’t get to find out about the rumoured Kremlin calls he was making. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/business/dealbook/musk-putin-trump.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/business/dealbook/musk-pu...
- exe34 10mo ago
  > doing so would have violated US sanctions on Russia. that made me laugh!
- hcurtiss 10mo ago
  The allegation at the time was that he turned off Starlink. That was not true. He did not turn it on at Ukraine’s request because US law prohibited it.
  - lostlogin 10mo ago
    The current administration quashed the investigation into the contact he was having with Putin. So I guess we get to stick with your story. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0l3wl76gzo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0l3wl76gzo