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I was not clear enough. I wanted to write a PRO-AI blog post. The people against AI always say negative things with using as central argument that "AI is hyped

by antirez 9mo ago

I was not clear enough. I wanted to write a PRO-AI blog post. The people against AI always say negative things with using as central argument that "AI is hyped and overhyped". So I, for fun, consider the anti-AI movement a form of hype. It's a joke but not in the sense it does not mean what it means.

iLoveOncall 9mo ago
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- menaerus 9mo ago
  What's wrong with you? Let people express their experience without calling them mentally ill. Put yourself together.
  - zahlman 9mo ago
    The comment was flagged and killed; the system works. Please don't respond to personal attacks with personal attacks.
    - menaerus 9mo ago
      Personal attack for calling out the hostility? And btw it was not flagged nor killed at the moment when I wrote my comment.
      - zahlman 9mo ago
        Language like "What's wrong with you?" is a clear personal attack.
        menaerus 9mo ago
        I couldn't care less.
- simonw 9mo ago
  > Anyone claiming "Writing code is no longer needed for the most part" is not a serious software engineer. You need to recalibrate. Six months ago I would have agreed with you, but Opus 4.5 and GPT-5.2 represent a very real change. I would phrase this as "typing the code out by hand is no longer needed for the most part", which I think is what antirez was getting at here.
  - iLoveOncall 9mo ago
    And I'm sure if you go back to the release of 3.5, you'll see the exact same comments. And when 5 comes out, I'm sure I'll see you commenting "OK I agree 6 months ago but now with Claude 5 Opus it's great". It's really the weirdest type of goalpost moving. I have used Opus 4.5 a lot lately and it's garbage, absolutely useless for anything beyond generating trivial shit for which I'd anyway use a library or have it already integrated in the framework I use. I think the real reason your opinion has changed in 6 months is because your skills have atrophyed. It's all as bad as 6 months ago, and even as bad as 2 years ago, you've just become worse.
    - simonw 9mo ago
      > And I'm sure if you go back to the release of 3.5, you'll see the exact same comments. Not from people whose opinions on that I respect. Credible software developers I know were impressed by Claude 3.5 but none of them were saying "I don't type out code by hand any more". Now they are. If you think LLMs today are "as bad as 2 years ago" then I don't respect your opinion. That's not a credible thing to say.
      - pydry 9mo ago
        >If you think LLMs today are "as bad as 2 years ago" then I don't respect your opinion. That's not a credible thing to say. This exact comment started getting old a year ago.
        simonw 9mo ago
        I can't tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me here.
somewhereoutth 9mo ago
However, as you point out, anti-AI people are pushing back against hype, not indulging in hype themselves - not least as nobody is trying to sell 'not-AI'. I for one look forward to the next AI winter, which I hope will be long, deep, and savage.

by antirez 9mo ago

iLoveOncall 9mo ago

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menaerus 9mo ago
What's wrong with you? Let people express their experience without calling them mentally ill. Put yourself together.
- zahlman 9mo ago
  The comment was flagged and killed; the system works. Please don't respond to personal attacks with personal attacks.
  - menaerus 9mo ago
    Personal attack for calling out the hostility? And btw it was not flagged nor killed at the moment when I wrote my comment.
    - zahlman 9mo ago
      Language like "What's wrong with you?" is a clear personal attack.
      - menaerus 9mo ago
        I couldn't care less.
simonw 9mo ago
> Anyone claiming "Writing code is no longer needed for the most part" is not a serious software engineer. You need to recalibrate. Six months ago I would have agreed with you, but Opus 4.5 and GPT-5.2 represent a very real change. I would phrase this as "typing the code out by hand is no longer needed for the most part", which I think is what antirez was getting at here.
- iLoveOncall 9mo ago
  And I'm sure if you go back to the release of 3.5, you'll see the exact same comments. And when 5 comes out, I'm sure I'll see you commenting "OK I agree 6 months ago but now with Claude 5 Opus it's great". It's really the weirdest type of goalpost moving. I have used Opus 4.5 a lot lately and it's garbage, absolutely useless for anything beyond generating trivial shit for which I'd anyway use a library or have it already integrated in the framework I use. I think the real reason your opinion has changed in 6 months is because your skills have atrophyed. It's all as bad as 6 months ago, and even as bad as 2 years ago, you've just become worse.
  - simonw 9mo ago
    > And I'm sure if you go back to the release of 3.5, you'll see the exact same comments. Not from people whose opinions on that I respect. Credible software developers I know were impressed by Claude 3.5 but none of them were saying "I don't type out code by hand any more". Now they are. If you think LLMs today are "as bad as 2 years ago" then I don't respect your opinion. That's not a credible thing to say.
    - pydry 9mo ago
      >If you think LLMs today are "as bad as 2 years ago" then I don't respect your opinion. That's not a credible thing to say. This exact comment started getting old a year ago.
      - simonw 9mo ago
        I can't tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me here.

somewhereoutth 9mo ago

However, as you point out, anti-AI people are pushing back against hype, not indulging in hype themselves - not least as nobody is trying to sell 'not-AI'. I for one look forward to the next AI winter, which I hope will be long, deep, and savage.