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> Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back. That‘s not my impression at all about the UK. They are known for mass CCTV surveillance since

by Tepix 9mo ago

> Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back. That‘s not my impression at all about the UK. They are known for mass CCTV surveillance since more than a decade. There’s even a wikipedia page for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite...

Flere-Imsaho 9mo ago
There's a difference between filming the public in public-spaces (which is what the mass CCTV surveillance does) and reading everyone's private messages and every image uploaded from their devices. This is a step chance (if it goes ahead) and doesn't feel very different from what the Chinese State is doing to its citizens.
- Tepix 9mo ago
  I agree. But I'm saying is that the current mass surveillance is already overreaching as-is.
  - happymellon 9mo ago
    You refer to CCTV for state mass surveillance, and link to Wikipedia pages but it doesn't appear that you even read them. > The vast majority of CCTV cameras are not operated by government bodies, but by private individuals or companies, especially to monitor the interiors of shops and businesses. According to 2011 Freedom of Information Act requests, the total number of local government operated CCTV cameras was around 52,000 over the entirety of the UK. The NYPD alone had 18k back in 2018. https://securitytoday.com/articles/2018/10/29/new-surveillance-cameras-to-bolster-security-in-nyc.aspx https://securitytoday.com/articles/2018/10/29/new-surveillan... That doesn't make the UK appear to be monitored heavier than other locations when a single city in the US approaches half their total number of cameras.
happymellon 9mo ago
> There’s even a wikipedia page for it There is a Wikipedia page on surveillance in Austria, and the US. Not sure what your point is, it's not like most of the west isn't under surveillance or that the UK is more monitored than other countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite... Or are you implying that Germany doesn't have any surveillance because it doesn't have a dedicated English Wikipedia page? There is a lot of rhetoric aimed at the UK, and I'm not saying it's great, but there is a lot of convenient omission on other countries actions.

by Tepix 9mo ago

Flere-Imsaho 9mo ago

There's a difference between filming the public in public-spaces (which is what the mass CCTV surveillance does) and reading everyone's private messages and every image uploaded from their devices. This is a step chance (if it goes ahead) and doesn't feel very different from what the Chinese State is doing to its citizens.

Tepix 9mo ago
I agree. But I'm saying is that the current mass surveillance is already overreaching as-is.
- happymellon 9mo ago
  You refer to CCTV for state mass surveillance, and link to Wikipedia pages but it doesn't appear that you even read them. > The vast majority of CCTV cameras are not operated by government bodies, but by private individuals or companies, especially to monitor the interiors of shops and businesses. According to 2011 Freedom of Information Act requests, the total number of local government operated CCTV cameras was around 52,000 over the entirety of the UK. The NYPD alone had 18k back in 2018. https://securitytoday.com/articles/2018/10/29/new-surveillance-cameras-to-bolster-security-in-nyc.aspx https://securitytoday.com/articles/2018/10/29/new-surveillan... That doesn't make the UK appear to be monitored heavier than other locations when a single city in the US approaches half their total number of cameras.

happymellon 9mo ago

> There’s even a wikipedia page for it There is a Wikipedia page on surveillance in Austria, and the US. Not sure what your point is, it's not like most of the west isn't under surveillance or that the UK is more monitored than other countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite... Or are you implying that Germany doesn't have any surveillance because it doesn't have a dedicated English Wikipedia page? There is a lot of rhetoric aimed at the UK, and I'm not saying it's great, but there is a lot of convenient omission on other countries actions.