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In my opinion information wants to be free. It's wild to me seeing the tech world veer into hyper-capitalism and IP protectionism. Complete 180 from the 00s. I

In my opinion information wants to be free. It's wild to me seeing the tech world veer into hyper-capitalism and IP protectionism. Complete 180 from the 00s. IMO copyright laws should be rewritten to bring copyright inline with the rest of the economy. Plumbers are not claiming use fees from the pipes they installed a decade ago. Doctor isn't getting paid by a 70 year old for saving the 70 year old when they were in a car accident at age 50. Why should intellectual property authors be given extreme ownership over behavior then? In the Constitution Congress is allowed to protect with copyright "for a limited time". The status quo of life of author + 99 years means works can be copyrighted for many peoples entire lives. In effect unlimited protection. Why is society on the hook to preserve a political norm that materially benefits so few? Because the screen tells us the end is nigh! and giant foot will crush us! if we move on from old America. Sad and pathetic acquiescence to propaganda. My fellow Americans; must we be such unserious people all the time? This hypernormalized finance engineered, "I am my job! We make line go up here!" culture is a joke.

jen729w 9mo ago
> In my opinion information wants to be free. But I still need to pay rent.
- venndeezl 9mo ago
  Well like a plumber then you should string together one paid job after another. Not do a job once and collect forever. Rent is a political problem. Perhaps invest in the courage to confront some droopy faced Boomers in Congress.
  - SoKamil 9mo ago
    The thing is, someone will collect rent from IP anyways. LLMs shift rent collecting from decentralized individuals to a handful of big tech companies.
    - venndeezl 9mo ago
      Yeah they will. Because Muricans are too busy belaboring the obvious on social media rather than tackling the obvious political problems.
    - Altern4tiveAcc 9mo ago
      > someone will collect rent from IP anyways We should work on fixing that, then. I agree with your point about big tech companies salivating at opportunities to collect rent. IP is part of the problem.
drivebyhooting 9mo ago
Excuse me, but even if in principle of “information wants to be free”, the actual outcome of LLMs is the opposite of democratizing information and access. It completely centralizes accesses, censorship, and profits in the hands of a few mega corporations. It is completely against the spirit of information wants to be free. Using that catch phrase in protection of mega corps is a travesty.
- venndeezl 9mo ago
  LLMs are just a concept, an abstraction. A data type for storing data. The actual problem is political. Has nothing to do with LLMs.
  - zephen 9mo ago
    > LLMs are just a concept, an abstraction. A data type for storing data. C'mon. You know good and well that what is being discussed is the _use_ of LLMs, with the concomitant heavy usage of CPU, storage, and bandwidth that the average user has no hope of matching.
    - Altern4tiveAcc 9mo ago
      > You know good and well that what is being discussed is the _use_ of LLMs Not the person you're replying to, but I've found that some people do argue against LLMs themselves (as in, the tech, not just the usage). Specially in humanities/arts cycles which seem to have a stronger feeling of panic towards LLMs. Clarifying which one you're talking about can save a lot of typing/talking some times.
      - zephen 9mo ago
        > I've found that some people do argue against LLMs themselves (as in, the tech, not just the usage). Specially in humanities/arts cycles which seem to have a stronger feeling of panic towards LLMs. Maybe? The person I responded to said "LLMs are just a concept, an abstraction." Were that true, were they simply words in some dusty CS textbook, it's hardly likely that the humanities/arts people you describe would even know about them. No, it's the fact that these people have seen regurgitated pictures and words that makes it an issue.
zephen 9mo ago
> In my opinion information wants to be free. Information has zero desires. > It's wild to me seeing the tech world veer into hyper-capitalism and IP protectionism. Really? Where have you been the last 50 years? > Plumbers are not claiming use fees from the pipes they installed a decade ago. Plumbers also don't discount the job on the hopes they can sell more, or just go around installing random pipes in random locations hoping they can convince someone to pay them. > Why should intellectual property authors be given extreme ownership over behavior then? The position that cultural artifacts should enter into the commons sooner rather than later is not unreasonable by any means, but most software is not cultural, requires heavy maintenance for the duration of its life, and still is well past obsolescence, gone and forgotten, well before the time frame you are discussing.

jen729w 9mo ago

> In my opinion information wants to be free. But I still need to pay rent.

venndeezl 9mo ago
Well like a plumber then you should string together one paid job after another. Not do a job once and collect forever. Rent is a political problem. Perhaps invest in the courage to confront some droopy faced Boomers in Congress.
- SoKamil 9mo ago
  The thing is, someone will collect rent from IP anyways. LLMs shift rent collecting from decentralized individuals to a handful of big tech companies.
  - venndeezl 9mo ago
    Yeah they will. Because Muricans are too busy belaboring the obvious on social media rather than tackling the obvious political problems.
  - Altern4tiveAcc 9mo ago
    > someone will collect rent from IP anyways We should work on fixing that, then. I agree with your point about big tech companies salivating at opportunities to collect rent. IP is part of the problem.

drivebyhooting 9mo ago

Excuse me, but even if in principle of “information wants to be free”, the actual outcome of LLMs is the opposite of democratizing information and access. It completely centralizes accesses, censorship, and profits in the hands of a few mega corporations. It is completely against the spirit of information wants to be free. Using that catch phrase in protection of mega corps is a travesty.

venndeezl 9mo ago
LLMs are just a concept, an abstraction. A data type for storing data. The actual problem is political. Has nothing to do with LLMs.
- zephen 9mo ago
  > LLMs are just a concept, an abstraction. A data type for storing data. C'mon. You know good and well that what is being discussed is the _use_ of LLMs, with the concomitant heavy usage of CPU, storage, and bandwidth that the average user has no hope of matching.
  - Altern4tiveAcc 9mo ago
    > You know good and well that what is being discussed is the _use_ of LLMs Not the person you're replying to, but I've found that some people do argue against LLMs themselves (as in, the tech, not just the usage). Specially in humanities/arts cycles which seem to have a stronger feeling of panic towards LLMs. Clarifying which one you're talking about can save a lot of typing/talking some times.
    - zephen 9mo ago
      > I've found that some people do argue against LLMs themselves (as in, the tech, not just the usage). Specially in humanities/arts cycles which seem to have a stronger feeling of panic towards LLMs. Maybe? The person I responded to said "LLMs are just a concept, an abstraction." Were that true, were they simply words in some dusty CS textbook, it's hardly likely that the humanities/arts people you describe would even know about them. No, it's the fact that these people have seen regurgitated pictures and words that makes it an issue.

zephen 9mo ago

> In my opinion information wants to be free. Information has zero desires. > It's wild to me seeing the tech world veer into hyper-capitalism and IP protectionism. Really? Where have you been the last 50 years? > Plumbers are not claiming use fees from the pipes they installed a decade ago. Plumbers also don't discount the job on the hopes they can sell more, or just go around installing random pipes in random locations hoping they can convince someone to pay them. > Why should intellectual property authors be given extreme ownership over behavior then? The position that cultural artifacts should enter into the commons sooner rather than later is not unreasonable by any means, but most software is not cultural, requires heavy maintenance for the duration of its life, and still is well past obsolescence, gone and forgotten, well before the time frame you are discussing.