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It depends. What else is included in that subscription? Mirror and seat heating by any chance? Can you buy a Toyota that isn't always online? Because having re

by nottorp 10mo ago

It depends. What else is included in that subscription? Mirror and seat heating by any chance? Can you buy a Toyota that isn't always online? Because having remote start available, subscription or not, sounds like you can't.

soared 10mo ago
My point was you can buy a car that is primarily safety+capability and not luxury+subscription. My rav4 has a touchscreen and power windows but that’s literally it as far as convenience/luxury. ~28k a couple years ago, no subscription. Anything heated, remote, touch to start, etc is in the luxury category what gp was asking about avoiding.
- nottorp 10mo ago
  Depending on the weather, heated mirrors may be a safety feature. I'd very much like that for rain/foggy days for example.
  - Aurornis 10mo ago
    This comment section went from “I don’t understand why car makers don’t sell a cheap stripped down car without luxuries” to “Heated mirrors and seats are very important” very quickly. HN comments discovering in real time why the stripped-down base model vehicles don’t actually sell. People like those luxury features and they choose to pay extra for them.
    - formerly_proven 10mo ago
      Same procedure as every year, James.
    - nottorp 10mo ago
      But which ones are luxury? I don’t want a fucking infotainment system that has the fucking a/c controls on the fucking touch screen for example. And I’m not willing to pay 30% extra for electric and then wonder if it’s safe to rent a cabin in the woods for the new year’s.
Aurornis 10mo ago
> It depends. What else is included in that subscription? Mirror and seat heating by any chance? Are you saying it is? Or is this a rhetorical question? Either way, those are again luxury features. If someone is in the market for those features they’re not really looking for the base model any more.
- nottorp 10mo ago
  > Are you saying it is? Or is this a rhetorical question? i don't know. I'm not in the market for a new car atm. And considering how enthittified new cars are, I shouldn't be at all.

by nottorp 10mo ago

soared 10mo ago

My point was you can buy a car that is primarily safety+capability and not luxury+subscription. My rav4 has a touchscreen and power windows but that’s literally it as far as convenience/luxury. ~28k a couple years ago, no subscription. Anything heated, remote, touch to start, etc is in the luxury category what gp was asking about avoiding.

nottorp 10mo ago
Depending on the weather, heated mirrors may be a safety feature. I'd very much like that for rain/foggy days for example.
- Aurornis 10mo ago
  This comment section went from “I don’t understand why car makers don’t sell a cheap stripped down car without luxuries” to “Heated mirrors and seats are very important” very quickly. HN comments discovering in real time why the stripped-down base model vehicles don’t actually sell. People like those luxury features and they choose to pay extra for them.
  - formerly_proven 10mo ago
    Same procedure as every year, James.
  - nottorp 10mo ago
    But which ones are luxury? I don’t want a fucking infotainment system that has the fucking a/c controls on the fucking touch screen for example. And I’m not willing to pay 30% extra for electric and then wonder if it’s safe to rent a cabin in the woods for the new year’s.

Aurornis 10mo ago

> It depends. What else is included in that subscription? Mirror and seat heating by any chance? Are you saying it is? Or is this a rhetorical question? Either way, those are again luxury features. If someone is in the market for those features they’re not really looking for the base model any more.

nottorp 10mo ago
> Are you saying it is? Or is this a rhetorical question? i don't know. I'm not in the market for a new car atm. And considering how enthittified new cars are, I shouldn't be at all.