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It seems the issue boils down to what the Greenlanders want: to become some sort of Venezuela of the north in Trump's imperial crown, and be used to maximize th

It seems the issue boils down to what the Greenlanders want: to become some sort of Venezuela of the north in Trump's imperial crown, and be used to maximize the profits of the American corporations that ultimately get to own it; OR full rights as EU citizens and local autonomy to decide who gets the mining concessions, under competitive terms open to all countries that maximize their profits, which stay in their hands. The historical path of Greenland in DK is irrelevant.

VoodooJuJu 9mo ago
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therobots927 9mo ago
I don’t think the wishes of the population are being taken into account. Maybe they should hold a vote?
- graemep 9mo ago
  The government of Greenland has a right to call an independence referendum so it could happen depending on who wins elections.
  - yorwba 9mo ago
    There was an election in 2025. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_elect... Pro-independence parties won a supermajority. The only party whose leader said that he trusts Trump in the debate before the election got 305 votes and no seats. The next parliamentary elections are scheduled for 2029, too late for a pro-Trump swing unless he manages to stay in office somehow.
    - graemep 9mo ago
      Independence is what the US wants to stop as it carries a risk of changes such as not joining NATO and EU, rethinking US bases.
  - nephihaha 9mo ago
    So did Catalonia and Scotland, but neither of those were conducted properly. In both cases, a full array of state apparatus was brought into play.
    - graemep 9mo ago
      In the case of Scotland the state resources (those of the Scottish govt) were promoting the leave side. Both of those have very different histories and circumstances Greenland was a colony and in thr current (or at least very recent) treatment of indigenous people.
      - nephihaha 9mo ago
        They certainly were not. The full force of British institutions was ranged against Scottish independence, including the civil service, BBC and even certain businesses like Baxters or Tesco. Scotland forgets its past. Most people don't know that most of Scotland including non-Jacobite areas was garrisoned in the late 1740s. Or that there was an uprising in 1820. Or famines and rioting around the Moray Firth in the 1840s so bad that the army was brought in. Most of that is forgotten. "Indigenous" is code for tribal. Scotland was partly tribal into the Middle Ages but is never classed as such. Why the difference?
- cmrdporcupine 9mo ago
  One of the tricky situations now is that full independence for Greenland now would leave it weak to more aggressive imperialist predation from the USA. Not that Denmark (or even the EU) is capable of militarily defending it now. But politically it carries more clout than a tiny population in its own state. I think the situation of Quebec here in Canada does show it's possible for regions/provinces to become somewhat more sovereign in their own land without full legal independence. Even if that has been fraught with all sorts of ridiculous conflict.
graemep 9mo ago
> to become some sort of Venezuela of the north if it becomes US territory would it not be more like be more like Alaska than Venezuela? > full rights as EU citizens and local autonomy to decide who gets the mining concessions There is no such thing as an EU citizen - people are citizens of EU states. Would an independent Greenland join the EU? Would it join NATO? I can see advantages for a small (in population) country with rich national resources playing the big powers against each other. Indigenous Greenlanders have also been treated pretty badly by Denmark, even very recently, not just a long time ago when it was a colony: https://www.arctictoday.com/a-view-from-greenland-about-forced-child-removal-as-greenlanders-protest-danish-welfare-services/ https://www.arctictoday.com/a-view-from-greenland-about-forc... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yelp5466no https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yelp5466no
- simion314 9mo ago
  >if it becomes US territory would it not be more like be more like Alaska than Venezuela? Why not something like Puerto Rico? why would Trump give rights to natives of Greenland? those people would vote Democrats , less of the two evils.
  - fifticon 9mo ago
    it would probably be like ouerto rico yes. Favors would go in one direction only.
- bojan 9mo ago
  > There is no such thing as an EU citizen - people are citizens of EU states. People are citizens of both the EU and the member states: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_citizenship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_citizenship
- cornholio 9mo ago
  Alaska received statehood a century after it was acquired, and only after being substantially colonized by Americans. It's entirely laughable to suggest that US will grant 2 seats ~= 4% of the Senate (plus one representative and 3 electors) to basically a small city of Inuits and Danes, most of which won't even speak English for a good many years to come.
hearsathought 9mo ago
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- selimthegrim 9mo ago
  Greenland left the EU decades ago in case you haven’t gotten the memo
  - hearsathought 9mo ago
    But denmark didn't. And the EU is backing denmark. That was my point.
  - nephihaha 9mo ago
    Greenland was never in the EU. It left the EEC, a predecessor of the EU, as did the Faroes Islands.
    - selimthegrim 9mo ago
      My mistake.
- nso 9mo ago
  Please elaborate on how Greenland is US territory.
  - hearsathought 9mo ago
    The US officially took over greenland after denmark allied with nazi germany during ww2. People forget that the danes were nazi collaborators. We defended greenland against the nazis/danes during ww2 and the soviets during the cold war. I'd say greenland is more of a US territory than even puerto rico or american samoa is. All trump has to do is make it official.
    - wiseowise 9mo ago
      Oh boy, here we go. Now they even adopted Russia's playbook word by word. > The US officially took over greenland after denmark *allied* with nazi germany during ww2. People forget that the danes were nazi collaborators. Was occupied, comrade, is the word you're looking for. They've forgot to put it in your metodichka.
fifticon 9mo ago
can you clarify on what grounds it is irrelevant? As I see it, most things in the world are arranged in their current way for 'hysterical raisins', so I don't quite follow? There are approximately 200 countries that could carry continued support for greenland,but currently denmark is the one doing it, for HR. By the same logic,greenland could go to China or Russia?

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therobots927 9mo ago

I don’t think the wishes of the population are being taken into account. Maybe they should hold a vote?

graemep 9mo ago
The government of Greenland has a right to call an independence referendum so it could happen depending on who wins elections.
- yorwba 9mo ago
  There was an election in 2025. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_elect... Pro-independence parties won a supermajority. The only party whose leader said that he trusts Trump in the debate before the election got 305 votes and no seats. The next parliamentary elections are scheduled for 2029, too late for a pro-Trump swing unless he manages to stay in office somehow.
  - graemep 9mo ago
    Independence is what the US wants to stop as it carries a risk of changes such as not joining NATO and EU, rethinking US bases.
- nephihaha 9mo ago
  So did Catalonia and Scotland, but neither of those were conducted properly. In both cases, a full array of state apparatus was brought into play.
  - graemep 9mo ago
    In the case of Scotland the state resources (those of the Scottish govt) were promoting the leave side. Both of those have very different histories and circumstances Greenland was a colony and in thr current (or at least very recent) treatment of indigenous people.
    - nephihaha 9mo ago
      They certainly were not. The full force of British institutions was ranged against Scottish independence, including the civil service, BBC and even certain businesses like Baxters or Tesco. Scotland forgets its past. Most people don't know that most of Scotland including non-Jacobite areas was garrisoned in the late 1740s. Or that there was an uprising in 1820. Or famines and rioting around the Moray Firth in the 1840s so bad that the army was brought in. Most of that is forgotten. "Indigenous" is code for tribal. Scotland was partly tribal into the Middle Ages but is never classed as such. Why the difference?
cmrdporcupine 9mo ago
One of the tricky situations now is that full independence for Greenland now would leave it weak to more aggressive imperialist predation from the USA. Not that Denmark (or even the EU) is capable of militarily defending it now. But politically it carries more clout than a tiny population in its own state. I think the situation of Quebec here in Canada does show it's possible for regions/provinces to become somewhat more sovereign in their own land without full legal independence. Even if that has been fraught with all sorts of ridiculous conflict.

graemep 9mo ago

> to become some sort of Venezuela of the north if it becomes US territory would it not be more like be more like Alaska than Venezuela? > full rights as EU citizens and local autonomy to decide who gets the mining concessions There is no such thing as an EU citizen - people are citizens of EU states. Would an independent Greenland join the EU? Would it join NATO? I can see advantages for a small (in population) country with rich national resources playing the big powers against each other. Indigenous Greenlanders have also been treated pretty badly by Denmark, even very recently, not just a long time ago when it was a colony: https://www.arctictoday.com/a-view-from-greenland-about-forced-child-removal-as-greenlanders-protest-danish-welfare-services/ https://www.arctictoday.com/a-view-from-greenland-about-forc... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yelp5466no https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yelp5466no

simion314 9mo ago
>if it becomes US territory would it not be more like be more like Alaska than Venezuela? Why not something like Puerto Rico? why would Trump give rights to natives of Greenland? those people would vote Democrats , less of the two evils.
- fifticon 9mo ago
  it would probably be like ouerto rico yes. Favors would go in one direction only.
bojan 9mo ago
> There is no such thing as an EU citizen - people are citizens of EU states. People are citizens of both the EU and the member states: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_citizenship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_citizenship
cornholio 9mo ago
Alaska received statehood a century after it was acquired, and only after being substantially colonized by Americans. It's entirely laughable to suggest that US will grant 2 seats ~= 4% of the Senate (plus one representative and 3 electors) to basically a small city of Inuits and Danes, most of which won't even speak English for a good many years to come.

hearsathought 9mo ago

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selimthegrim 9mo ago
Greenland left the EU decades ago in case you haven’t gotten the memo
- hearsathought 9mo ago
  But denmark didn't. And the EU is backing denmark. That was my point.
- nephihaha 9mo ago
  Greenland was never in the EU. It left the EEC, a predecessor of the EU, as did the Faroes Islands.
  - selimthegrim 9mo ago
    My mistake.
nso 9mo ago
Please elaborate on how Greenland is US territory.
- hearsathought 9mo ago
  The US officially took over greenland after denmark allied with nazi germany during ww2. People forget that the danes were nazi collaborators. We defended greenland against the nazis/danes during ww2 and the soviets during the cold war. I'd say greenland is more of a US territory than even puerto rico or american samoa is. All trump has to do is make it official.
  - wiseowise 9mo ago
    Oh boy, here we go. Now they even adopted Russia's playbook word by word. > The US officially took over greenland after denmark *allied* with nazi germany during ww2. People forget that the danes were nazi collaborators. Was occupied, comrade, is the word you're looking for. They've forgot to put it in your metodichka.

fifticon 9mo ago

can you clarify on what grounds it is irrelevant? As I see it, most things in the world are arranged in their current way for 'hysterical raisins', so I don't quite follow? There are approximately 200 countries that could carry continued support for greenland,but currently denmark is the one doing it, for HR. By the same logic,greenland could go to China or Russia?