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The solution to city air pollution is a different vehicle with a different drive train: an EV. The C15 is a workhorse for farmers and craftsmen not for shoppin

The solution to city air pollution is a different vehicle with a different drive train: an EV. The C15 is a workhorse for farmers and craftsmen not for shopping trips and driving the family to visit granny on the other side of town.

writebetterc 10mo ago
> The solution to city air pollution is a different vehicle with a different drive train: an EV. Priority list should basically be: 0. Bicycles 1. Metro 2. Buses 3. EVs (not counting emergency and service vehicles)
- fwipsy 10mo ago
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  - oakesm9 10mo ago
    We do have bicycle ambulance which carry a defibrillator [0] The 40 paramedics attend over 17,000 calls a year and the average response time is 6 minutes. [0] https://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/calling-us/who-will-treat-you/single-responder/cycle-responder/ https://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/calling-us/who-will-treat...
  - writebetterc 10mo ago
    > (not counting emergency and service vehicles) Just gotta read the last line too :P
    - scott_w 10mo ago
      Cut him some slack, he might have been having a heart attack at the time and in need of one of those ambulances!
    - Supernaut 10mo ago
      What do you mean, at a practical level, when you set out your "priority list" above? Are you referring to the use of congestion charges to discourage private motor vehicle use?
      - tsimionescu 10mo ago
        Not OP, but I don't think congestion charges are the most important part here. It's more about what type of infrastructure to prioritize resources and work for. Basically, the idea is that the town or city should not spend money on building parking, for example, and instead spend it on bike lanes, or two more busses, or some extension to the metro line.
      - scott_w 10mo ago
        It’s entirely dependent on the situation. Some areas, additional charges work best. In others, it’s possible/necessary to redesign road and street layouts to prioritise higher-density modes of transport and physically discourage low-density modes like cars. This might be priority lights for public transport, lowering speed limits and narrowing streets. In some contexts, it’s necessary to completely disallow cars with things like bus lanes, bike/pedestrian-only areas. Separated tram/metro lines, too. Most of this infrastructure, in practice, also aids emergency vehicle use as they can usually fit down bike lanes and are obviously able to fit in bus lanes.
  - wongarsu 10mo ago
    More bicycles, metros and buses leaves more space on the street for emergency vehicles
- kergonath 10mo ago
  > 0. Bicycles 1. Metro 2. Buses 3. EVs -1. Feet
fpoling 10mo ago
EVs are still heavier than ICE vehicles and will for the next 10-20 years unless one is OK with a tiny battery. And heavy weight means more pollution from wheels that produce particles that ends up in lungs. Note brakes also pollutes with asbestos but EVs typically have regenerative braking so I think brakes pollutes roughly the same in a heavier EV as in ICE car.
- avidiax 10mo ago
  The tire pollution is true, but the brakes hardly get used on an EV. They are almost for emergency use only. Mine has a special mode to disable regeneration for a while so you can use the brake pads to clean the rotors.
- vincnetas 10mo ago
  My EV is lighter than your ICE. Volkswagen eUP. 1183kg. 250km range in summer conditions.
  - torginus 10mo ago
    I love the idea of these tiny EVs. Apparently the EU's making some legislation for them so that they can go without much of the expensive 'safety' equipment such as driver tracking. Parking cars in cities not designed for them is a nightmare, but getting around with a car is so much faster than public transport, even if your city's is fairly decent.
    - immibis 10mo ago
      tangential: people also underestimate the convenience of public transport being a one-way trip, meaning you can go from A>B>C>D>A and never have to go back to a previous spot to pick up a part of your luggage that you left behind.
      - torginus 10mo ago
        Personally, when not being a tourist, almost all my trips are home to some place and back again. Public transport is great, but if you're going to a less good part of the city, or even just a place that's unfamiliar, and less frequented, it might be a bit more difficult to get around. And public transport travel distances can be patchy based on where the stops are, especially if you're going to the outskirts of your city. Also when having to be present in the office, that extra 15-25 mins (x2) it takes to get to and from the office adds up quickly.

writebetterc 10mo ago

> The solution to city air pollution is a different vehicle with a different drive train: an EV. Priority list should basically be: 0. Bicycles 1. Metro 2. Buses 3. EVs (not counting emergency and service vehicles)

fwipsy 10mo ago
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- oakesm9 10mo ago
  We do have bicycle ambulance which carry a defibrillator [0] The 40 paramedics attend over 17,000 calls a year and the average response time is 6 minutes. [0] https://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/calling-us/who-will-treat-you/single-responder/cycle-responder/ https://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/calling-us/who-will-treat...
- writebetterc 10mo ago
  > (not counting emergency and service vehicles) Just gotta read the last line too :P
  - scott_w 10mo ago
    Cut him some slack, he might have been having a heart attack at the time and in need of one of those ambulances!
  - Supernaut 10mo ago
    What do you mean, at a practical level, when you set out your "priority list" above? Are you referring to the use of congestion charges to discourage private motor vehicle use?
    - tsimionescu 10mo ago
      Not OP, but I don't think congestion charges are the most important part here. It's more about what type of infrastructure to prioritize resources and work for. Basically, the idea is that the town or city should not spend money on building parking, for example, and instead spend it on bike lanes, or two more busses, or some extension to the metro line.
    - scott_w 10mo ago
      It’s entirely dependent on the situation. Some areas, additional charges work best. In others, it’s possible/necessary to redesign road and street layouts to prioritise higher-density modes of transport and physically discourage low-density modes like cars. This might be priority lights for public transport, lowering speed limits and narrowing streets. In some contexts, it’s necessary to completely disallow cars with things like bus lanes, bike/pedestrian-only areas. Separated tram/metro lines, too. Most of this infrastructure, in practice, also aids emergency vehicle use as they can usually fit down bike lanes and are obviously able to fit in bus lanes.
- wongarsu 10mo ago
  More bicycles, metros and buses leaves more space on the street for emergency vehicles
kergonath 10mo ago
> 0. Bicycles 1. Metro 2. Buses 3. EVs -1. Feet

fpoling 10mo ago

EVs are still heavier than ICE vehicles and will for the next 10-20 years unless one is OK with a tiny battery. And heavy weight means more pollution from wheels that produce particles that ends up in lungs. Note brakes also pollutes with asbestos but EVs typically have regenerative braking so I think brakes pollutes roughly the same in a heavier EV as in ICE car.

avidiax 10mo ago
The tire pollution is true, but the brakes hardly get used on an EV. They are almost for emergency use only. Mine has a special mode to disable regeneration for a while so you can use the brake pads to clean the rotors.
vincnetas 10mo ago
My EV is lighter than your ICE. Volkswagen eUP. 1183kg. 250km range in summer conditions.
- torginus 10mo ago
  I love the idea of these tiny EVs. Apparently the EU's making some legislation for them so that they can go without much of the expensive 'safety' equipment such as driver tracking. Parking cars in cities not designed for them is a nightmare, but getting around with a car is so much faster than public transport, even if your city's is fairly decent.
  - immibis 10mo ago
    tangential: people also underestimate the convenience of public transport being a one-way trip, meaning you can go from A>B>C>D>A and never have to go back to a previous spot to pick up a part of your luggage that you left behind.
    - torginus 10mo ago
      Personally, when not being a tourist, almost all my trips are home to some place and back again. Public transport is great, but if you're going to a less good part of the city, or even just a place that's unfamiliar, and less frequented, it might be a bit more difficult to get around. And public transport travel distances can be patchy based on where the stops are, especially if you're going to the outskirts of your city. Also when having to be present in the office, that extra 15-25 mins (x2) it takes to get to and from the office adds up quickly.