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They shouldn't, and shouldn't be given a job like that. But I think it's by design. Create confrontation so the administration can take further steps. A lot

by duxup 10mo ago

They shouldn't, and shouldn't be given a job like that. But I think it's by design. Create confrontation so the administration can take further steps. A lot of these guys behave like they really want someone to provoke them so they can shoot someone ... even when they're not provoked: https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/comments/1q7u4kz/ice_agent_pulls_weapon_on_crowd_and_appears_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/comments/1q7u4kz/ice_agen... https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q7y43s/cbp_points_gun_directly_at_protesters_head/ https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q7y43s/cbp_poin... These are the folks this administration want out there, to distract folks, fracture country, all of the above probably.

like_any_other 10mo ago
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- duxup 10mo ago
  Did you watch my links? Think they should be pointing their weapons at those people? You can make a list of your own gripes but that doesn’t justify those actions. No individual citizen should be subjected to that behavior or killed because someone has a list of scary news stories… Right and wrong didn’t change because you’re scared.
  - like_any_other 10mo ago
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- mindslight 10mo ago
  If you want to talk about "the rule of law" and not be a screaming hypocrite, you need to start with the highest law in the land which is the US Constitution. It has a few things to say about both the right of us citizens to criticize our government, and our right to not be violently assaulted and summarily executed by government tyrants. This is not surprising, as it was written in the aftermath of similar historical events which kicked off the founding of our country based around individual liberty and limited government. Perhaps try reading some history about our hard-won civil liberties instead of freebasing so much social media that you want to throw away what remains of those liberties just to spite your fellow citizens, whom social media has also made you hate.
  - like_any_other 10mo ago
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    - immibis 10mo ago
      What is an illegal?
      - like_any_other 10mo ago
        If you're going to pretend not to understand, you'll have to do a better job.
      - RajT88 10mo ago
        This administration seems to believe it's people who are not here as legal permanent residents or with valid visas. ...Who are not white.
      - mindslight 10mo ago
        It is a dehumanizing Kafkaesque term whose use professes ignorance. But pragmatically, do you think your comment helps convince anyone of your position? I'm personally ambivalent on illegal immigration in the abstract. But I am of the opinion that even if reforming illegal immigration is someone's pet issue, there are still many reasons they should be opposing the current regime's approach that seemingly requires summarily deporting legal immigrants, unrestrained cruelty against fellow human beings, and now what is shaping up to look an awful lot like the premeditated murder of an American citizen and mother.
    - mindslight 10mo ago
      In a hypothetical where both could be accomplished at the same time, equitably and humanely, most certainly yes. Those qualifications are important, lest either issue just be used as a rallying cry to inflict cruelty, pretend token reforms, or otherwise do half the job. If you'd like to respond constructively, I can elaborate. Also of course we live in the real world where we can't atomically commit to perform both. This makes heuristics highly important. And if this ongoing topic doesn't grate against your own large-context sense of what is more fundamental to the kernel of society, this particular incident should at least run afoul of a small-context concern of when a government is killing its own citizens.

by duxup 10mo ago

like_any_other 10mo ago

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duxup 10mo ago
Did you watch my links? Think they should be pointing their weapons at those people? You can make a list of your own gripes but that doesn’t justify those actions. No individual citizen should be subjected to that behavior or killed because someone has a list of scary news stories… Right and wrong didn’t change because you’re scared.
- like_any_other 10mo ago
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mindslight 10mo ago
If you want to talk about "the rule of law" and not be a screaming hypocrite, you need to start with the highest law in the land which is the US Constitution. It has a few things to say about both the right of us citizens to criticize our government, and our right to not be violently assaulted and summarily executed by government tyrants. This is not surprising, as it was written in the aftermath of similar historical events which kicked off the founding of our country based around individual liberty and limited government. Perhaps try reading some history about our hard-won civil liberties instead of freebasing so much social media that you want to throw away what remains of those liberties just to spite your fellow citizens, whom social media has also made you hate.
- like_any_other 10mo ago
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  - immibis 10mo ago
    What is an illegal?
    - like_any_other 10mo ago
      If you're going to pretend not to understand, you'll have to do a better job.
    - RajT88 10mo ago
      This administration seems to believe it's people who are not here as legal permanent residents or with valid visas. ...Who are not white.
    - mindslight 10mo ago
      It is a dehumanizing Kafkaesque term whose use professes ignorance. But pragmatically, do you think your comment helps convince anyone of your position? I'm personally ambivalent on illegal immigration in the abstract. But I am of the opinion that even if reforming illegal immigration is someone's pet issue, there are still many reasons they should be opposing the current regime's approach that seemingly requires summarily deporting legal immigrants, unrestrained cruelty against fellow human beings, and now what is shaping up to look an awful lot like the premeditated murder of an American citizen and mother.
  - mindslight 10mo ago
    In a hypothetical where both could be accomplished at the same time, equitably and humanely, most certainly yes. Those qualifications are important, lest either issue just be used as a rallying cry to inflict cruelty, pretend token reforms, or otherwise do half the job. If you'd like to respond constructively, I can elaborate. Also of course we live in the real world where we can't atomically commit to perform both. This makes heuristics highly important. And if this ongoing topic doesn't grate against your own large-context sense of what is more fundamental to the kernel of society, this particular incident should at least run afoul of a small-context concern of when a government is killing its own citizens.