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It is trigger-happy because there was no good reason to draw the weapon or shoot at all. Shooting the woman did not do anything to stop the car, to the contrary

It is trigger-happy because there was no good reason to draw the weapon or shoot at all. Shooting the woman did not do anything to stop the car, to the contrary it resulted in the car accelerating and hitting another vehicle. He could have stepped aside instead of drawing his weapon and there wouldn't have been any issue. He also shouldn't have walked around the car that way, that was entirely unnecessary and dangerous. The woman is clearly distracted by the other ICE officer, that's just an all around dangerous situation they created entirely unnecessarily.

mothballed 9mo ago
I think the 'good reason' he had was that 7 months ago he was dragged by a car, used a taser twice, and got roughed up. He probably spent awhile in the hospital pondering what happened. He probably spent time talking to his ICE buddies. About his injuries. About using the taser. About how much he wished he had used his sidearm instead of his taser. And his buddies encouraging him. His buddies encouraging him, "next time don't be so kind with the tazer." He thought about what he would do "next time." He was fantasizing about "punishing" the guy who dragged him. He fantasized about that for months. He "lost" the last fight and walked away with more injuries than the other guy. Got to even the score. He evened the score. He won. And he will get away with it. There is no Karma. He is victorious, and indeed, now placed upon the mantle by the administration as a hero who settled a score against "domestic terrorism."
antonymoose 9mo ago
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- muwtyhg 9mo ago
  Taking your framing at face value (I disagree that the videos show this, but lets assume they do). Does shooting someone who is operating a vehicle aimed at you "end the threat"? What happened after the officer shot the driver? Did the car become more or less controlled? Your first argument was "he's not trigger happy, he only shot her 1 or 2 times" (it was 3 times, by the way). And he "did it in under a second". None of that means he is not trigger happy. Trigger happy means he is inclined to use his weapon in situations where it is unwarranted and may escalate the situation. That is exactly what happened. He turned a woman operating a car into a dead body operating a car on a public street. In no way did he handle the situation correctly.
  - antonymoose 9mo ago
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    - muwtyhg 9mo ago
      > a fleeing violent felon Was she fleeing, or trying to use her car as a weapon? > In any case you can watch a solid dozen video sources that show her reversing and targeting this office and hitting him. I don't think that is true. I've watched a lot of the footage. I even watched enough to know how many bullets were fired! That seems like more knowledge than you possess of the situation. Last question: Do you believe this woman is a domestic terrorist?
    - goatlover 9mo ago
      She was not targeting him, she was backing up to turn to leave. Onlookers have stated the same thing we can all see in the videos. She wasn't a dangerous felon, that's state propaganda. And no, shooting a fleeing vehicle is not proper enforcement.
    - muwtyhg 9mo ago
      > Yes, he ended the threat. Is there a threat created afterwards by a car being piloted by a corpse or no? If the car is being piloted by a corpse, why did it not continue on course and run over the ICE agent standing "in front of the car"?
    - CamperBob2 9mo ago
      In any case you can watch a solid dozen video sources that show her reversing and targeting this office and hitting him. No, you cannot, because that's not what happened. Look at the angle of her front tires. You don't steer right when you're trying to run down someone standing to your left.
- smogcutter 9mo ago
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mothballed 9mo ago

I think the 'good reason' he had was that 7 months ago he was dragged by a car, used a taser twice, and got roughed up. He probably spent awhile in the hospital pondering what happened. He probably spent time talking to his ICE buddies. About his injuries. About using the taser. About how much he wished he had used his sidearm instead of his taser. And his buddies encouraging him. His buddies encouraging him, "next time don't be so kind with the tazer." He thought about what he would do "next time." He was fantasizing about "punishing" the guy who dragged him. He fantasized about that for months. He "lost" the last fight and walked away with more injuries than the other guy. Got to even the score. He evened the score. He won. And he will get away with it. There is no Karma. He is victorious, and indeed, now placed upon the mantle by the administration as a hero who settled a score against "domestic terrorism."

antonymoose 9mo ago

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muwtyhg 9mo ago
Taking your framing at face value (I disagree that the videos show this, but lets assume they do). Does shooting someone who is operating a vehicle aimed at you "end the threat"? What happened after the officer shot the driver? Did the car become more or less controlled? Your first argument was "he's not trigger happy, he only shot her 1 or 2 times" (it was 3 times, by the way). And he "did it in under a second". None of that means he is not trigger happy. Trigger happy means he is inclined to use his weapon in situations where it is unwarranted and may escalate the situation. That is exactly what happened. He turned a woman operating a car into a dead body operating a car on a public street. In no way did he handle the situation correctly.
- antonymoose 9mo ago
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  - muwtyhg 9mo ago
    > a fleeing violent felon Was she fleeing, or trying to use her car as a weapon? > In any case you can watch a solid dozen video sources that show her reversing and targeting this office and hitting him. I don't think that is true. I've watched a lot of the footage. I even watched enough to know how many bullets were fired! That seems like more knowledge than you possess of the situation. Last question: Do you believe this woman is a domestic terrorist?
  - goatlover 9mo ago
    She was not targeting him, she was backing up to turn to leave. Onlookers have stated the same thing we can all see in the videos. She wasn't a dangerous felon, that's state propaganda. And no, shooting a fleeing vehicle is not proper enforcement.
  - muwtyhg 9mo ago
    > Yes, he ended the threat. Is there a threat created afterwards by a car being piloted by a corpse or no? If the car is being piloted by a corpse, why did it not continue on course and run over the ICE agent standing "in front of the car"?
  - CamperBob2 9mo ago
    In any case you can watch a solid dozen video sources that show her reversing and targeting this office and hitting him. No, you cannot, because that's not what happened. Look at the angle of her front tires. You don't steer right when you're trying to run down someone standing to your left.
smogcutter 9mo ago
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