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Good? I think outrage to such a thing is warranted and is technology related.

by onemoresoop 10mo ago

frumplestlatz 10mo ago
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- tartoran 10mo ago
  What's your point?
  - frumplestlatz 10mo ago
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    - tartoran 10mo ago
      You clearly have an ax to grind with leftists but outrage is a human reaction to something bad happening, it can be perceived on any political spectrum, including right as well. And discussion is the only a good thing even if not everybody agrees, at least we understand where they stand.
      - pstuart 10mo ago
        There's also the fact that as the audience is heavily composed of tech workers, we're helping to build these systems and should explore what our participation means for us. Hacking humanity and civilization as it were.
      - frumplestlatz 10mo ago
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    - mindslight 10mo ago
      Perhaps places have seemingly turned "leftist" because the fascist definition of "leftist" has turned into anyone who doesn't support summary executions of American citizens in the street?
      - frumplestlatz 10mo ago
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        mindslight 10mo ago
        I can't really comment on Reddit because I don't spend much time there and when I do it's in technical subs (at the top of my current throwaways: /r/kubota, /r/woodstoving, /r/vorondesign, /r/buildapcsales) I can't really comment on Bluesky because I don't spend much time there at all. Although every time I view an X link I see a whole bunch of reactionary simplistic not-even-wrong red team comments, so if it's the blue-flavored equivalent of that I can see where you're coming from. As a libertarian, I personally sit somewhere in the "middle" as I think left and right are fundamentally just ways of thinking about a situation, and if you're not doing both and synthesizing between them then you're only using half of your brain. So sorry, "summary executions of American citizens in the street" comes from my own analysis of the events of the past few days. If you do not see the situation as an American citizen exercising her first amendment natural right to heckle government agents and then being retaliated at with a high-stakes escalation that led to her being needlessly killed, then you really have no comprehension or appreciation of our country's foundational ideas of individual liberty and limited government. (As for your edit tone policing about "fascist" that now makes up the bulk of your comment - I am open to referring to your movement by another name, especially if it facilitates having productive discussions where we can flesh out your actual values and their implications. But first you have to come up with an honest label and stop trying to hide behind "conservative" to mask a wildly radical agenda)
        frumplestlatz 10mo ago
        > But no sorry, "summary executions of American citizens in the street" comes from my own analysis of the events of the past few days. If you do not see the situation as an American citizen exercising her first amendment natural right to heckle government agents and then being retaliated at with a high-stakes escalation that led to her being needlessly killed, then you really have no comprehension or appreciation of our country's foundational ideas of individual liberty and limited government. I saw the situation as (1) an American citizen moving far beyond her first amendment rights and into active violence towards and obstruction of law enforcement, (2) refusing a lawful and reasonable order, after an incredible degree of patience and grace extended to her by law enforcement despite her unlawful behavior over days and weeks, and (3) her ill-considered decision to use her vehicle in the manner she did, accelerating towards and hitting a law enforcement officer -- a provocation to which he responded with reasonable force, given the circumstances. Planting your car perpendicular to the road isn't protected speech, and accelerating into a human while refusing a lawful order especially isn't. I don't think she intended to hit him, but she accelerated towards him to evade a lawful order, and she did hit him. An SUV is absolutely a deadly weapon, and once acceleration occurs toward an officer: - The threat becomes imminent - The decision window collapses to seconds - De-escalation is no longer a viable option > I am open to referring to your movement by another name, especially if it facilitates having productive discussions where we can flesh out you actual values and their implications. But first you have to come up with an honest label and stop trying to hide behind "conservative" to mask a wildly radical agenda I don't have a name for it other than conservative, all of my "political compass" tests place me pretty firmly in the center, and I don't see how actually enforcing immigration law is a "wildly radical" agenda. However, I also think invoking “fascism” here is a category error; modern political movements do not map cleanly onto those early-20th-century categories. There are points of overlap, divergence, borrowing, and recombination across parties and ideologies.

Good? I think outrage to such a thing is warranted and is technology related.

frumplestlatz 10mo ago

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tartoran 10mo ago
What's your point?
- frumplestlatz 10mo ago
  [flagged]
  - tartoran 10mo ago
    You clearly have an ax to grind with leftists but outrage is a human reaction to something bad happening, it can be perceived on any political spectrum, including right as well. And discussion is the only a good thing even if not everybody agrees, at least we understand where they stand.
    - pstuart 10mo ago
      There's also the fact that as the audience is heavily composed of tech workers, we're helping to build these systems and should explore what our participation means for us. Hacking humanity and civilization as it were.
    - frumplestlatz 10mo ago
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  - mindslight 10mo ago
    Perhaps places have seemingly turned "leftist" because the fascist definition of "leftist" has turned into anyone who doesn't support summary executions of American citizens in the street?
    - frumplestlatz 10mo ago
      [flagged]
      - mindslight 10mo ago
        I can't really comment on Reddit because I don't spend much time there and when I do it's in technical subs (at the top of my current throwaways: /r/kubota, /r/woodstoving, /r/vorondesign, /r/buildapcsales) I can't really comment on Bluesky because I don't spend much time there at all. Although every time I view an X link I see a whole bunch of reactionary simplistic not-even-wrong red team comments, so if it's the blue-flavored equivalent of that I can see where you're coming from. As a libertarian, I personally sit somewhere in the "middle" as I think left and right are fundamentally just ways of thinking about a situation, and if you're not doing both and synthesizing between them then you're only using half of your brain. So sorry, "summary executions of American citizens in the street" comes from my own analysis of the events of the past few days. If you do not see the situation as an American citizen exercising her first amendment natural right to heckle government agents and then being retaliated at with a high-stakes escalation that led to her being needlessly killed, then you really have no comprehension or appreciation of our country's foundational ideas of individual liberty and limited government. (As for your edit tone policing about "fascist" that now makes up the bulk of your comment - I am open to referring to your movement by another name, especially if it facilitates having productive discussions where we can flesh out your actual values and their implications. But first you have to come up with an honest label and stop trying to hide behind "conservative" to mask a wildly radical agenda)
        frumplestlatz 10mo ago
        > But no sorry, "summary executions of American citizens in the street" comes from my own analysis of the events of the past few days. If you do not see the situation as an American citizen exercising her first amendment natural right to heckle government agents and then being retaliated at with a high-stakes escalation that led to her being needlessly killed, then you really have no comprehension or appreciation of our country's foundational ideas of individual liberty and limited government. I saw the situation as (1) an American citizen moving far beyond her first amendment rights and into active violence towards and obstruction of law enforcement, (2) refusing a lawful and reasonable order, after an incredible degree of patience and grace extended to her by law enforcement despite her unlawful behavior over days and weeks, and (3) her ill-considered decision to use her vehicle in the manner she did, accelerating towards and hitting a law enforcement officer -- a provocation to which he responded with reasonable force, given the circumstances. Planting your car perpendicular to the road isn't protected speech, and accelerating into a human while refusing a lawful order especially isn't. I don't think she intended to hit him, but she accelerated towards him to evade a lawful order, and she did hit him. An SUV is absolutely a deadly weapon, and once acceleration occurs toward an officer: - The threat becomes imminent - The decision window collapses to seconds - De-escalation is no longer a viable option > I am open to referring to your movement by another name, especially if it facilitates having productive discussions where we can flesh out you actual values and their implications. But first you have to come up with an honest label and stop trying to hide behind "conservative" to mask a wildly radical agenda I don't have a name for it other than conservative, all of my "political compass" tests place me pretty firmly in the center, and I don't see how actually enforcing immigration law is a "wildly radical" agenda. However, I also think invoking “fascism” here is a category error; modern political movements do not map cleanly onto those early-20th-century categories. There are points of overlap, divergence, borrowing, and recombination across parties and ideologies.