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>They also don't make a secret out of their plan to push the far-right to end the EU. How is the "far right" gonna end "the EU"? When my GF walks alone at nigh

>They also don't make a secret out of their plan to push the far-right to end the EU. How is the "far right" gonna end "the EU"? When my GF walks alone at night through the parks she's never EVER afraid of the mythical far right for her safety, but the other people the far left won't let us talk about without being called a label and being cancelled from MSM for having common sense opinions. So if the EU were to find its end, it will be 100% at the hand of its own making, from years of corruption and financial mismanagement, from years of pushing unpopular open borders far left policies that nobody was asked it they agree with them or not. That's what will end the EU. Not Musk, not X, not Putin, not Trump, but the EU bureaucrats and their unpopular policies who then use boogiemen like X and "russian misinformation" and "far right" as scapegoats to deflect from their failures like this: Corruption being exposed on X? Must be Russian misinformation. Illegal migrant crime exposed on X. Must be far right misinformation. Epstein Files? Democrat hoax. Etc but you get the point. Politicians hate accountability and media channels they can't control like X that risk exposing their mistakes and corruption. They want full control of media to tell you what's acceptable to think, since the internet and social media made traditional state controlled media obsolete. They don't want control of social media and user ID verification to "protect the children", they want it to protect themselves from criticism and accountability from you. It's not Elon's or Trump's or Putin's or the far right's fault the healthcare in my country has been on a decline for 10+ years. It's not their fault wages are stagnating but property prices are skyrocketing which is what most voters care about. That's the fault of the ECB fiscal policies. It's not their fault public safety is down and crime is up. That's the fault of EU border control and irresponsible migration policies. Etc. you get the point. So it's disingenuous at best and bad faith at worst, to ignore these long going systemic issues the EU has self inflicted on its voters, and just blame the far right for the backlash it has inevitably lead to.

Kelteseth 10mo ago
You're making it sound way more dramatic than it is [1]. And yes X is a far right echo chamber that twists the narrative so that the extreme right get the most support out of it. X is the biggest help for foreign power to sow discord among us [2] [1] https://www.dw.com/en/crime-statistics-knife-crime-drugs-life-in-germany-safe-dangerous-graphics-v3/a-74008709 https://www.dw.com/en/crime-statistics-knife-crime-drugs-lif... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj38m11218xo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj38m11218xo
- joe_mamba 10mo ago
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  - aniviacat 10mo ago
    I'm unsure why you're spinning a discussion about foreign interference in the EU into a discussion about Republicans vs. Democrats. To the EU, it doesn't matter much if it's the Republicans or the Democrats doing it. What matters is that the USA is trying to interfere with the EU's political landscape. It would be bad if they pushed the extreme left, too. They just happen to be pushing the extreme right. (The reason right-wing political violence is more talked about in the EU is also rather simple: It is much more prevalent. https://www.bka.de/DE/UnsereAufgaben/Deliktsbereiche/PMK/PMKZahlen2024/PMKZahlen2024_node.html https://www.bka.de/DE/UnsereAufgaben/Deliktsbereiche/PMK/PMK...)
    - joe_mamba 10mo ago
      >The reason right-wing political violence is more talked about in the EU is also rather simple: It is much more prevalent. Ah yes, data of left wing government in power shows that the big problem is only the "hate speech twitter comments hate crime" of their growing right wing opposition that threatens their power. 100% trustworthy and unbiased of them. Just like to UK government denying grooming gangs were not real and only due to "far right white supremacists", until they couldn't hide it anymore thanks to the backlash on social media they're trying to ban right now. Always believe what your leaders are telling you, as they have your best interest at heart and would never lie to you to protect their own interests.
      - aniviacat 10mo ago
        You consider the current German government to be left-wing? The current government is led by the CDU. The only popular party that's even further right, the AfD, has merely 20% of the vote. Or worded differently, 80% of voters voted either for the current government or further left. This clearly places the current government in the center, maybe even a bit on the right wing. The current government can only be considered left-wing if you completely disregard the democratic will of the German people.
immibis 10mo ago
I'm sure you understand the fact that an alliance of countries is not held together by the absence of serial killers hiding in parks at night, yeah? Europe has rather famous historical knowledge of what the far right can do, and how it can destroy a country, and it has nothing to do with parks at night.
- joe_mamba 10mo ago
  >Europe has rather famous historical knowledge of what the far right can do, and how it can destroy a country Since you brought up European history, let me ask you where the far right came from in WW2 Europe. Did they just suddenly come out of nowhere and manage to take over a continent just like that without having majority popular support amongst the population? Or was it an organic growth gaining political support feeding off the backlash to failed policies of previous administrations in Europe? Because history is repeating itself right now and you're either not seeing it because you don't know the answer to the historial question above, or you are ignoring it because you don't like it and you hope the solution lies in draconical measures against far right parties as if that will magically to turn all those displeased citizens to stop supporting far right, and not making it worse by radicalizing them even further leading to more extremism which is what is actually gonna happen. You're basically creating a self fulfilling prophecy with this attitude of putting all the blame and focus of state failures on the far right. > and it has nothing to do with parks at night It 100% has everything to do with that. Because if you import millions of potentially dangerous and culturally incompatible people from dangerous low trust societies into (formerly) safe European high trust societies, against the will of the majority of your voters making them now feel unsafe in their own countries, and you refuse to backtrack on your unpopular policies, then voting far right is the only peaceful and democratic option the voters have to express their displeasure with your policies. And you can only ignore, ban and suppress the demands of the far right parties for so long, until they become the majority of the voter base, and then you're fucked and the prophecy you were trying to stop fulfills itself, the far right takes power and uses all the political weapons you built to suppress them against you. Just like 80 years ago. Like I said before, people are doomed to have history repeats itself on themselves because people never learn, or they learn the wrong lessons due to ideological biases giving themselves a false sense of moral superiority over the others they disagree with. You see this societal failure on HN as well, with my comments here getting flagged even though they didn't break any rules and haven't been factually proven wrong via debate, yet people will reject and try to silence them them without arguments or debate, same as they reject the other views that don't conform to their bubble.

Kelteseth 10mo ago

You're making it sound way more dramatic than it is [1]. And yes X is a far right echo chamber that twists the narrative so that the extreme right get the most support out of it. X is the biggest help for foreign power to sow discord among us [2] [1] https://www.dw.com/en/crime-statistics-knife-crime-drugs-life-in-germany-safe-dangerous-graphics-v3/a-74008709 https://www.dw.com/en/crime-statistics-knife-crime-drugs-lif... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj38m11218xo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj38m11218xo

joe_mamba 10mo ago
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- aniviacat 10mo ago
  I'm unsure why you're spinning a discussion about foreign interference in the EU into a discussion about Republicans vs. Democrats. To the EU, it doesn't matter much if it's the Republicans or the Democrats doing it. What matters is that the USA is trying to interfere with the EU's political landscape. It would be bad if they pushed the extreme left, too. They just happen to be pushing the extreme right. (The reason right-wing political violence is more talked about in the EU is also rather simple: It is much more prevalent. https://www.bka.de/DE/UnsereAufgaben/Deliktsbereiche/PMK/PMKZahlen2024/PMKZahlen2024_node.html https://www.bka.de/DE/UnsereAufgaben/Deliktsbereiche/PMK/PMK...)
  - joe_mamba 10mo ago
    >The reason right-wing political violence is more talked about in the EU is also rather simple: It is much more prevalent. Ah yes, data of left wing government in power shows that the big problem is only the "hate speech twitter comments hate crime" of their growing right wing opposition that threatens their power. 100% trustworthy and unbiased of them. Just like to UK government denying grooming gangs were not real and only due to "far right white supremacists", until they couldn't hide it anymore thanks to the backlash on social media they're trying to ban right now. Always believe what your leaders are telling you, as they have your best interest at heart and would never lie to you to protect their own interests.
    - aniviacat 10mo ago
      You consider the current German government to be left-wing? The current government is led by the CDU. The only popular party that's even further right, the AfD, has merely 20% of the vote. Or worded differently, 80% of voters voted either for the current government or further left. This clearly places the current government in the center, maybe even a bit on the right wing. The current government can only be considered left-wing if you completely disregard the democratic will of the German people.

immibis 10mo ago

I'm sure you understand the fact that an alliance of countries is not held together by the absence of serial killers hiding in parks at night, yeah? Europe has rather famous historical knowledge of what the far right can do, and how it can destroy a country, and it has nothing to do with parks at night.

joe_mamba 10mo ago
>Europe has rather famous historical knowledge of what the far right can do, and how it can destroy a country Since you brought up European history, let me ask you where the far right came from in WW2 Europe. Did they just suddenly come out of nowhere and manage to take over a continent just like that without having majority popular support amongst the population? Or was it an organic growth gaining political support feeding off the backlash to failed policies of previous administrations in Europe? Because history is repeating itself right now and you're either not seeing it because you don't know the answer to the historial question above, or you are ignoring it because you don't like it and you hope the solution lies in draconical measures against far right parties as if that will magically to turn all those displeased citizens to stop supporting far right, and not making it worse by radicalizing them even further leading to more extremism which is what is actually gonna happen. You're basically creating a self fulfilling prophecy with this attitude of putting all the blame and focus of state failures on the far right. > and it has nothing to do with parks at night It 100% has everything to do with that. Because if you import millions of potentially dangerous and culturally incompatible people from dangerous low trust societies into (formerly) safe European high trust societies, against the will of the majority of your voters making them now feel unsafe in their own countries, and you refuse to backtrack on your unpopular policies, then voting far right is the only peaceful and democratic option the voters have to express their displeasure with your policies. And you can only ignore, ban and suppress the demands of the far right parties for so long, until they become the majority of the voter base, and then you're fucked and the prophecy you were trying to stop fulfills itself, the far right takes power and uses all the political weapons you built to suppress them against you. Just like 80 years ago. Like I said before, people are doomed to have history repeats itself on themselves because people never learn, or they learn the wrong lessons due to ideological biases giving themselves a false sense of moral superiority over the others they disagree with. You see this societal failure on HN as well, with my comments here getting flagged even though they didn't break any rules and haven't been factually proven wrong via debate, yet people will reject and try to silence them them without arguments or debate, same as they reject the other views that don't conform to their bubble.